Measuring Depth with a Line and Special VP
Measuring Depth with a Line and Special VP
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Carlos Pérez
I don't understand the difference between x finds the center and diagonal extention ::/ It's so easy and natural to use one method and directly start constructing with another one . Over here i leave one exercise from each method . -X finds the center -Diagonal transfer -Diagonal extention -Diagonal VP -Speacial VP
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I will show you the most versatile method for measuring depth in space. We will use a measuring line and a special vanishing point to solve almost any measuring problem. You will learn how to take a line in perspective, get it out of perspective, measure it, and put it back. I will teach you how to transfer any divisions to a receding line using parallel lines. This works for even, odd, or unequal divisions. We will also cover all-around transfers so you can send measurements across floor, wall, and ceiling planes in one, two, and three-point perspective. You will get the exact steps to build and expand complex environments accurately.

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Marshall Vandruff
I will show you how to solve almost any measuring problem in perspective using a flat measuring line and a special vanishing point.
Dermot
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27d
Here is another attempt. Everything is a little crushed in parts. Any feedback would be great. :) Edit I corrected the lower 3Pt error - I think this is more accurate as I extended the converging lines below to a VP on another page.
Dermot
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28d
I've been experimenting. Here's a drawing where the random divisions are even on one side and odd on the other. I appreciate the drawing can be completed with the initial Line and special VP, but it is an experiment. Question1 Again, I have a very distorted box, not sure why. Any reminders how to reason this distortion out, so I can control it would be great, as it's become a problem form me, the boxes always distort when I draw them. Question 2 Why does the extension on the right look wrong? The purple lines converge back to VP 1 Question 3 Is it acceptable to create a special VP that aligns with VP2? See bottom of drawing.
Marshall Vandruff
Dermot, Try these: 1) The reason you have a distorted box is simple. You put the vanishing points close and spread the drawing out beyond a normal cone of vision. That’s an old lesson. 2) Same reason, (but also see 3) 3) Yes, but you have five divisions on the Measuring Line, four on the projected set….
Dermot
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28d
@Marshall Vandruff 6.50 minutes in you add the blue wall. The lines taper in and down, so although you started with a two point ground plane is it now a 3 point drawing with lines converging to a 3rd point below?
Marshall Vandruff
Dermot – I'm not sure what you're referring to. No "blue wall" at 6:50 — that's the measuring line! But yes, after establishing a two-point ground plane, I created a third point to give the height some oomph, and that should be no mystery to you by now. In the first half of part one we learned that the third point is a choice. I exercised that choice. You did not, as evidenced by your next post...
@odinnot
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28d
How did Marshall do the extensions, because he doesn't explain?
Marshall Vandruff
I didn't explain because I devoted all of the first Premium to that! Take them in order. We're parsing this out, partly so that you can assimilate the lessons of one before moving on to the next.
Stepka
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29d
Practicing diagonal extensions.
Carlos Pérez
I don't understand the difference between x finds the center and diagonal extention ::/ It's so easy and natural to use one method and directly start constructing with another one . Over here i leave one exercise from each method . -X finds the center -Diagonal transfer -Diagonal extention -Diagonal VP -Speacial VP
Marshall Vandruff
Carlos - if you are finding it "easy and natural to use one method and directly start constructing with another one," you are in such a good state of mind that not understanding the difference between the first two is hardly an issue. Attempting to explain in words, like "X's divide in halves; diagonals extend as 'one leg of the unknown X'" may just confuse you more. If you care , go back to the lesson on Diagonal Finds Far Corner. But if you can use these methods as freely and naturally as you are here, don't worry. Just draw.
Dermot
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1mo
@Marshall Vandruff Thanks for these lessons in this section, they a brilliant. The Plane Game was great, is there a similar game to hammer home the different concepts in this section?
Marshall Vandruff
We could invent one! Let's consider...
Carlos Javier Roo Soto
@Marshall Vandruff Besides doing these freehand any idea what went wrong here? Should I just limit myself to use tools? Only 16-17 hours left to go with the others I posted in the previous lesson. And genuinely think my carpal tunnel is making my dexterity worse.
Marshall Vandruff
Aside from doing them freehand, the only specific problem I see is how you handled the bases of the columns in 02. Those require attentive construction per base. They are blocky, but they have different sized top and bottom-planes, connected by concaves like in the anvil drawings, and that takes extra work... per block! The other issues, like the bending verticals in 01, may be solved by using tools. Don't feel guilty. Freehand is an end-goal that you can practice separately. This part is about learning the procedure. But Carlos — I admire that you were willing to try these freehand. Go to the tools to take care of the "control issue," and to understand the moves well enough to take comfort in that.
M C
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1mo
finally the mystery revealed!!!😻😻😻😻
Neill
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1mo
@Marshall Vandruff, Amazing! I was waiting for this one, I've been staring uncomprehendingly at the diagram in my Loomis' book for weeks. I had a real problem figuring out how he placed the measuring point, you cleared this up for me in seconds! Thank you. One question, can this be used in the other direction? if you knew how big your first division was on a plane could you then project that out on to the measuring line and find how big the equal spaces should be on the measuring line? Or is this impossible without knowing the angle of the connecting parallel? I know that diagonal vanishing points suits this problem way better, but I'm just curious.
Marshall Vandruff
If you can draw what you're trying to do and post it soon, I'll try to get to it for the coming crit.
Dennis Yeary
Wow I just finished the exercises on this vid. I'm surprised how simple and yet complicated it is. though I do wish I could get rid of the extra lines when I am done with them.
Marshall Vandruff
Dennis - remember the secret of overlays: vellum is one way. Another is to work lightly with erasable colored pencils, then do the finished lines with something less erasable. Etc. There are ways...
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