Danet
Madrid
Ask me for feedback on Gesture or Perspective. I won’t say no, how could I?
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2mo
Hi K.C.
I’m not a great fan of Loomis, I just feel it doesn’t really work for me. I don’t have any tutorials on skulls, but Michael Mattesi from Force drawing has a great exercise. Using some reference in different angles try finding the perspective box and drawing a skull inside. Once you have mastered that, try it the opposite way. First you draw the skull and then check drawing the box over it.
You will get some insights into the proportions as you do that. The main problem with proportions is that they change because of perspective. I absolutely love the 3 hour long video of Steve Huston https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2T7cDY7YDsg it’s free on youtube. It doesn’t focus on skulls though, but on heads.
Hope this helps and let me know if you find any good tutorials.
Dani
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2mo
Hi Braydon
Good job on getting all those muscles into the skeleton. They are all there and most of them in the right places. I see a few mistakes in where you have attached some of the muscles. For example the trapezius originates on the base of the skull, a bit lower than where you put it. The sternocleidomastoid inserts into the mastoid process of the skull. (You can feel this process behind your ear) a bit lower and to the front of where you put it. Also check your lats and abs, especially in the side view.
I wonder what your studying process is. Trying to add muscles onto a skeleton is quite hard, I usually try to copy from a 3D model first (Proko’s are great), then trace some real pictures, then I go back to my copies to see if I need to adjust or change anything, and after all that I try to draw them from imagination. This helps to understand the form of these muscles. I imagine them a bit like worms, or even horns sometimes. I also focus on a few muscles only. Maybe two or three.
I also look a lot and draw over the Houdon model. You can find some images of a corrected version by Scott Eaton.
One last thing, colour coding helps me a lot.
hope this helps, let me know if you have any questions.
Dani
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3mo
Some things I've realized while staring at this for hours:
1. The gesture of the arm is completely off. This is supposed to be a relaxed pose of the whole arm, so the forearm should have a 30-45° tilt to the left.
2. The wrist is completely wrong (has no 3D aspect to it), even though I know the wrist has a rectangle shape to it I still managed to mess it up.
3. I don't know why the tricep is looking so gigantic even though I checked its proportion compared to the bicep.
4. I guess I should've used a box shape for the upper arm before putting in the muscles. Just so that it has a 3D feel to it.
5. Of course the muscle shapes and " line movement" are a bit off as well.
These are the things I can see for now, and needless to say any additional feedback would be great!
Thanks once again.
2mo
Hi
Just a quick note on your own feedback. I feel you’re so hard on yourself. Here is something you can try which might help. Make your feedback a preparation for your next iteration (draw it again and again by the way don’t just stare at it for hours lol)
for example, instead of:
2-The wrist is completely wrong (has no 3D aspect to it), even though I know the wrist has a rectangle shape to it I still managed to mess it up.
simply write this:
2-Make the wrist more dimensional, use a rectangle.
Your feedback on 4 is much better. Much kinder and useful.
Another thing, when you ask for feedback it is useful to add the reference you used, so we can check. Unless this is from imagination of course. If it is, I would try to use reference first.
Hope this helps
Dani
1yr
hey, @knightdroid I’m not sure what you mean by moving the camera sideways. But distortion usually happens when we draw things that are outside of our cone of vision, this is what happens with fisheye lenses. Nevertheless, even when boxes warp, they still converge in the same way. Take a look at my corrections for box 1. (Box 2 is better.) Getting this right is hard by the way, I still occasionally slip
Hope this helps, let me know if you have any questions
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Hi, @kingofstones09
it’s great that you’re iterating, and you’re definitely have the right idea about creating an abstract version of the figure. The next step for you, I think, is to create something closer to what you are seeing.
you want to get a more accurate version of the torso, that will help to give your figures some weight.
Take a look at my versions, they are still super abstract. I also have some notes about the centre of gravity in my gesture folder that might help to.
keep up the good work and let me know if you have any questions.
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Excuse me @Danet I’m sorry for tagging you and u don’t know me but I could really use some help and feedback. if u can please assist me in this pose I’m not sure exactly how she’s pushing her hips forward and keeping her legs locked I can’t really see her Asis so I only go about her belly button I just need some clarification of how she’s doing this pose and how exactly to emphasize the push of her hips, to me that is the story of this pose and I’m trying to exaggerate it more. The image closer to the reference is an old one and the other two are my latest attempts I have many more but there all messy.
1yr
Hi @silentmoonss , no worries, I love to talk about these things. Ím happy to help.
i believe the problem is that you got the pose right but when you exaggerated, you just drew the same pose in a more extreme way. This works sometimes, but not in this case, I think that pulling her torso down to the right would be super uncomfortable, and she might even fall. So we have to change the pose to compensate for the exaggeration. This might seem super complicated, but luckily we all have a body, so we can just try taking the pose ourselves. There we find all the answers. A story also helps, here are my stories for this pose, yours might be similar or very different as will be your exaggerations..
let me know if you have any questions, and Ím looking forward to seeing what you come up with.
Week 29: continued with gesture drawings and the proko basics course. For fun drawing, i discovered the "reddit gets drawn" community https://www.reddit.com/r/redditgetsdrawn/ where i tried to cartoonize some people :). Also had some great feedback from different people in this topic. For the upcoming week i will continue gesture drawing.
1yr
Good job, as usual. Keep working this way and you’re going to see a lot of improvement. I agree with you on how hard it is to balance proportions and energy.not to mention structure and line. I still struggle with these things myself.
I agree with @kotka, number three is my favourite too. I have added a few things for you to think about. Mainly, what does the apex of our line communicate. I hope this helps. I’ve also added some ideas relating to how these rhythms connect. One thing that really helped me was to actually draw arrows at the end of my lines.
let me know if you have any questions. (I love questions by the way)
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Week 28: continued with the gesture drawings. Took some time to read @Danet gesture critiques and watched some videos about FORCE gesture drawing. Based on Danet's advice i've included the references from wich i drew the gestures. I'm not sure i'm getting it though. I've tried to simplify the gestures and draw less.
Also continued to do an assignment from Stan's drawing basics course where we had to draw a creature from imagination based on reference. I had fun drawing this prussian basset hound general.
1yr
Hi, great work as usual. I love all the work you did designing the helmet, and the character is a lot of fun. I agree with @Steve Lenze notes on the eyes. They are one of the hardest parts to draw.
As for the figure drawing, here are some notes on the way the force method works. Hope it helps. Take a look at this video too. It explains the types of torso you can find. It’s quite long but very valuable. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SL2H5JquELg As for the limbs, you want to get to a similar point as with the right screen arm, there you created a path which describes how the arm connects. It helps to try different things, and see which works best. Lots of quick drawings of the same figure will teach you more than one slow drawing of many figures.
let me know if you have any doubts!
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1yr
Hi, I think you’re doing fine. maybe the tail on the first lizard could be clarified a bit more, but on the rest looks pretty solid. Good work
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Week 27: continued with the gesture drawings, which i did digitally. Also continued with Stan's beginner course with some line drawing assignments (the hand, penguins and the robot girl-thing). For fun i drew some stylized/ cartoonized people from references i've found on Pinterest.
1yr
Hi! Good job. I love that you keep on doing fun drawings and combining them with your studies. I also agree with @prymitywizm that your line is very good.
I have done a few critiques on gesture drawings before, so you can take a look at some of the images on my profile https://www.proko.com/@danimctigue/albums/gesture My main note, for you, is that you are drawing too much. What we think of as gesture depends on the teacher, but I’m of the force school. To me, the important part of gesture is trying to find the rhythms not the shapes (that comes later) This way we are able to think of the body as one thing only. So the gesture is not just about what the story is, but how all the different parts connect to tell that story. I know this sounds a bit vague, but it isn’t. Gesture is pretty straightforward. Read some of my critiques and make sure to post some of the reference images next to the drawings next time, that way I can be more specific.
keep up the good work.
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Week 25: Completed the movie scene challenge. Also took up a small project to draw an avatar. Tried to work digitally. Since the avatar will be displayed small, i wanted to make a more simplified drawing, and also tried to incorporate some "style". But i'm not really happy with the result. Does anyone has some advice or opinion on it?
Next week i will start the unit "Anatomy II - the torso"
1yr
Hi @Geert-Jan Good work on the scenes, Especially the lego and the guy in the car, there’s a lot of structure in them. Making a simplified drawing is actually harder in some ways than making a complex one. My main advice is to make an underdrawing first, and find the planes, so that you don’t lose the structure. It will also help when you start adding simple shadows. I added on the right the way I would do it. The character changed a bit, but I think it will help.
let me know if you have any doubts, and keep up the great work.
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Week 21: between flying, preparing, travelling i didn't have any time for drawing and i am in full vacation mode. Did some hot garbage sketches on the beach when i was rally tired though. I hope i can sketch a little more in the upcoming week.
1yr
Hi @Geert-Jan
Have fun on your holiday. It’s good to take some time off So don’t sweat it if you just need a break from drawing.
I came to see how you were doing on your massive drawing marathon. The movie scene drawings look good, especially the guardians of the galaxy one. You can see how you’ve started to apply what you have learnt.
Enjoy your break!
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1yr
Hey, @silentmoonss I would say you’ve drawn a lot! Good work. Your cubes and cylinders look good. Are they from imagination? If not try to draw some from imagination too. Here are my notes on cylinders if you want to take a look.
https://www.proko.com/s/8sae
For the animals I would recommend finding the horizon line and putting them into boxes. As I’ve just told Frank here.
https://www.proko.com/s/mAUa
hope these help! Let me know If you have any questions.
1yr
Hi Frank, these are a lot of fun.
I must confess I’m probably not the best person to ask about animal drawing, but as you tagged me, I’ll give you some tips.
1) It’s great that you are analyzing your drawings and assessing what can be improved. People here on Proko only draw each reference once (or only post the final one)I feel this is such a pity. The first sketch should just be a first approach. Try to apply your own critiques to the second and even third and fourth attempts. Try things that you think are wrong too, see what happens. Sometimes you’ll be surprised.
2) Try not to lose gesture when adding structure. ( I did my best to find it on the camel 🐪 but it’s probably not completely right.As I said, I’m not an expert.)
3) It’s super important to find the horizon line and put our animal in a box. I chose the camel because you can actually see the hL in the horizon. Sometimes you need to find it using the paws.
4) Boxes and cylinders can also have gesture.
5) In figure drawing I always try to find the centerline and the edge that is closer to us. I did my best to find them on the camel, but again... Centerline is in purple, The edge is in green.
Let me know if you have any doubts and I’m looking forward to seeing some of your boxed animals 😊
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Week 16: Continue with the drawabox lessons. I've had some awesome feedback from @elkad @James Hicks and @Danet . I think that i have a better understanding how ellipses and cylinders work. Getting them correct on paper freehand with a fineliner is a different story :) . Anyway, i'm 115 cylinders in the 250 cylinder challenge, drew along with the plant examples and drew some construction plants and mushrooms to. Also did a longer portrait drawing for fun, and did the branches exercise again.
1yr
Good work, love the last plant, Most of your ellipses are pretty good, especially considering you’re doing them with the fineliner, and I can see you’ve been checking their accuracy using the blue lines. My only note, is that you want the lines of your cylinders to converge such as in numbers 78 or 79. Try to avoid parallel lines such as in 73.
check my notes and let me know if you have any questions.
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@Steve Lenze
@Jesper Axelsson
@Frank D'souza
I wanted to ask for some critiques since most seem to have more experienced in these than me. If u all have some tips to give me some insight on what I may be lacking I know you all may be busy with your own art journeys so whenever you have time
1yr
Hi, I’m not a great fan of the bean method, it doesn’t seem to do the trick for me. But as @Frank D'souza says if you post some reference we could give you some tips on torsos. I think we might be able to help with finding the centerline, and giving the beans some straight lines to structure them a little. Good work though!
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week 15: second unit of the second term. officially i should be working on drawabox lessons 4-7, but i haven't done lesson 3 yet, so i'll be working on that first. I'm also working on the 250 cilinder challenge. For this week i did the arrows, leaves and branches exercises. I also drew the first 65 cilinders, and dit a bit of a longer portrait drawing for fun in my new strathmore toned sketchbook. I've found the cilinder challenge very challenging, not sure how to check if i'm doiing it right. Anybody got any tips for that?
1yr
I must say, I am in awe of your work. I really admire your drive. A lot of good stuff here. Your ellipses are pretty good in general, for the few that were a bit off I have added some notes. Your portrait is really beautiful, it just needs a bit more structure. When you start applying everything that you’re learning to your figures you are going to explode. I’m really looking forward to seeing what you produce. A face isn’t a cube, but some of the parts are alligned, and they help us to avoid things getting out of wack. I recommend drawing over photographs to find the perspective In the face. oh and don’t forget to find the edge that is closer to us. I marked it in purple.
hope this helps.
let me know if you have any doubts and keep going!
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1yr
Hi Malek. It’s great that you took our advice and got straight to work. Well done on applying the feedback to your previous drawings too. I’m adding some specific feedback to Steve’s suggestions to try to help you understand gesture. Where @Steve Lenze is drawing a limb by using a shape, I am using just a line or an arrow, but it’s really the same idea.
We are trying to create an abstraction of our figure. This sounds, well...abstract, but to clarify look at the right screen arm and let me know what you think is the right answer.
keep up the good work.
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1yr
The only thing to critique is the contours of the torso, which look fine except for the symmetric line between the torso and forearm.
I'd recommend finishing the drawing (as in drawing head, hands, legs), adding shading, or outlining each muscle or something because I feel like it's hard to say if you really know your stuff with so little to go off of.
1yr
Hi disco
I agree with @Dwight on this. Betty Edwards talks about the importance of the number one in art. All the figure must be one thing, connected and related.
Each muscle is doing something, it’s not just about having them in the right place, but doing the right things in relation to all the rest of the pose. You have a bit of this on the shoulder, as the arm is lifting it's affecting the deltoid and the pectoralis muscles. So really when working on gesture you are also defining how the anatomy will work.
hope this is useful!
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1yr
Hi Marek
Nice work, I like how you got to put a face on the drawings and even come up with a sort of samurai character. I’ve been thinking of getting these figures to help me draw from imagination too. But the biggest problem I see when using these to draw is balance, as they are hold up by a support. I’m not sure if they would fall, it’s hard to tell.
Here are some notes I made for you on shapes and symmetry. Let me know if it makes sense, and please ask if you have any doubts.
I’m looking forward to seeing more of your work here.
1yr
You’re welcome Marek.
I hadn’t seen @Steve Lenze feedback. It is an excellent sheet and it exemplifies perfectly my doubts about the figurines. Gesture is based on gravity as well as anatomy. These figurines lack the reality of weight. See how in Steve´s drawings that left screen leg determines the whole gesture. In real life the body will take this pose naturally due to gravity and balance, but the figurines are held up by their support so they are not limited by this. Understanding gesture and balance Will help you pose the figurines correctly.
Good luck with your studies on gesture. At first it might seem a bit mysterious but it all makes sense in the end. My favourite approach to gesture is the FORCE drawing method. I think Proko has a video of it somewhere.
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