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Forgot what number I was in when it came to counting my art journey but I have returned for another critique session and this time I have brought a stylized drawing from imagination( a bit of reference cuz I needed help with the eyes) I’m actually a bit happy with this one and went completely out of my comfort zone by attempting to shade I wasn’t really going to finish the other eye either but I tried and I actually liked the result. Has a bit of trouble with the nose I’ve been studying noses for 2 weeks now and I’m still struggling with the ball of the nose and how it’s positioned. Especially when we can’t see the nostrils. If anyone has some tips regarding noses and prior critiques on how I did with my drawing please kindly post some
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Ok I’m actually laughing right now like first off I attempted another portrait again the same image and well the process was a bit easier than the attempt. I’m happy to say it actually looks like a decent guy instead of a big headed ogre( do hope to draw this someday) however I think I ended up with the incorrect perspective and I’m a bit worried he looks a bit different from the actual image. I’m practicing portrait to up my observation skills and get in some basic head shapes and I hop to diverge from realism into more surrealistic to stylized style but I needed some understanding of actual head drawings. I’m going to do another stylized drawing and post it some time this week . Other than that hope for some critiques on my second attempt. I added the older image to help show some differences
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So I’ve been practicing heads a lot and yesterday I posted a more stylized version and realized I may need some more practice with placement or features and proportions so I’m back to realism. I noticed that I may have some trouble with my centerline and how it moves in perspective so if anyone can please provide tips on what it is I’m doing wrong. Other than that here’s my attempt and hope for some overall critiques from this
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Hello been studying a lot and there is lots of ups and downs. Honestly I’m still completely lost regarding the planes of the eyes. I’ve tagged so many people but haven’t received much response not sure if this community is dead or alive. Anyway to keep a bit of consistency I’ve posted my 1st legit drawing from imagination( some of it was ref like the nose and eye brows). I’ve been having a bit of trouble with placing the eyes. I’ve practiced skulls placing eyeballs in skulls and like I got the gist of it but sometimes I wonder if maybe I interpreted it incorrectly. I’ve watched dozens of tutorials and they never explicitly state this is where the eye goes most of the time they just wing it. So here’s my artwork I just want to know if my placement is correct or not and the overall illustration is it decent. Thank you
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Hello @Marco Bucci i was wondering if u can help me with the planes of the eye I’ve been having lots of trouble with it and am not sure how to go about it I understand the eye ball and how that has planes I’m not understanding the glabella and that bulging plane at the end of the eye brow. To me it seems like the the bulging mass has another set of planes underneath then the eyes just out but I can’t seem to see how the actual eye planes connect with it
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The shadows might be causing some confusion for you because they exaggerate how much the surface changes. A quick simplification is to use 1 plane for the forehead and 1 plane for the eye socket. The bone sticks out a bit around the eyebrow area. If you want to add more detail around the top plane of the eye, think of it as a ribbon or a rubber band that bulges out slightly as it wraps from the nose to the outside of the eye socket. The leading edge attaches to the top of the eye socket & the trailing edge attaches behind the eyeball.
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Hello I tried to implement what you said but it still isn’t really clicking if you have time may you please show me what you mean thanks again for replying to me. I was using this digital link https://sketchfab.com/models/9d26548182f8465a8e97371a9170561e/embed?autostart=1&internal=1&tracking=0&ui_ar=0&ui_infos=0&ui_snapshots=1&ui_stop=0&ui_theatre=1&ui_watermark=0 to hell me and this digital Asaro head seemed to have that on the older side of the Asaro head multiple planes coinciding with each other so it was hard for me to know what is the top plane and what is the bottom plane and how did the glabella region connect with these planes. So when I drew it on the figure though it varies It should more or less make sense.
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@Steve Lenze @Jesper Axelsson @Liandro hello I’m not sure if I’m allowed to tag you but may you please offer some advice sorry I’m just so confused and studying on my own ain’t really getting me anywhere I’ve taken a look at proko portrait course , Marco’s Bucci’s course and many YouTube videos. Im not understanding the planes of the eye just that section alone
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Hello. I’m having difficulty with the planes of the head primarily with the eye , brow section. I’m not understanding the hooded area section and how it looks as plains. I’ve done multiple draw overs but it just wasn’t clicking for me to understand. I know the eyes are deep within the eye socket I know that the nose shares a plane with the tear duct of the eye but what I’m not understanding is the hairy eyebrow section and the overhanging section to me they literally look like desperate planes like the eye brow is on top but then that lump and flesh that’s below it before it we get to the actual eye is confusing me here’s a picture of what I mean. The 2nd image was my attempt but it didn’t look right this is my 30th attempt( I’m not exaggerating)
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Hey @Jesper Axelsson thanks again for responding to many of my posts the help is so very much appreciated. Many u please provide some insight on this? @Steve Lenze
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So I have officially reached 1 year of drawing. Honestly it’s kinda hard to believe that I endured for this long. I used to envision what it’s like for those who did years of drawing thinking they’d be smooth sailing. But then I realized the struggle is absolutely still real. Like there may never be an instance where we as artists won’t struggle. As of now I’ve been getting pretty deep in portraits. But I’ve hit a bit of a hurdle and it’s regarding the planes of the head. There are some things that I’m not understanding and it has to deal with the brow section and eye section. When I look on a model it’s this deep rooted section where the glabella is and the end of the nose side plane. I’m not sure if I’m understanding that section correctly like I’ve watched Marco Bucci’s course over and over( like a lot) and I understood some things but it’s still didn’t click. I’ve watched many other YouTube vids and most of them don’t even mention the part I’m confused about they just gloss it over. I’ve done a tracing of what I understood so far but if anyone can please help me with this. I know the glabella has side planes at least from what is shown on the asaro head but I’m trying figure out where does the side plane begins and where does it end. Lastly how does the eye brow connect to this it’s like it’s own desperate plane?
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@Steve Lenze @Jesper Axelsson hello thanks again for last time I really appreciate the help I’ve been getting. Thanks so much for taking you time to actually reply. Hope for some feedback and hip your art journeys are going well.
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Journey 15
4mo
Hello I’m back! I’ve been focusing on drawing portraits lately and I’m starting to see progress however the eyes are kicking my butt. I have a hard time separating the eyes into simple planes especially applying to my own portraits. Does anyone have any advice for this? Also here’s what I’ve worked on today I feel like the forehead should be a bit longer but not sure. Anyways hope for some feedback on what I can improve on
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Hey @Jesper Axelsson can u provide some feedback and help wen u can @Steve Lenze hello can may u provide some help and feedback please thanks so much for last time.
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Journey 14
4mo
Hello I know it’s been a while when I went around trying to post the internet was not my friends therefore now that I finally have decent internet I am back. So I have been focusing on portraits as well as stylized drawing. Lately it’s up and down but not on practical side but on the understanding aspect l. I’ve been stuck on the eyes and brow because I’m not understanding a couple of things about it. 1). When I watch tutorial let’s say proko he made a shape that outlined the brow, the entire eye and the a part of the nose and I’ve been seeing lots of people use that as a quick lay in but the thing that’s confusing me is the crease of the eye from the brow ridge and and actuall eye itself I posted an example of what I meant. I’ve watched Marco Bucci’s tutorial and only he explained it but I still don’t understand how exactly it works. I’ve even tried studying the asaro head and that confused me even more cuz of the planes. so the 1st image is proko’s drawing that I screenshot from his tutorial but I didn’t understand that entire shape that he made before placing the actual eye itself I kept getting lost when following his tutorial( I even know the anatomy but the understanding just isn’t there) the 2nd image is another example from an instagram post of this method of lay in that I've seen used and the confusion lies in the fleshy part right under the brow just before the eyes the one that connects to the corner. how exactly does this method work? How do we manipulate it depending on the eye shape? Which is the brow ridge and which is the actual eyeball and why does it crease like that. Any explanation is well appreciated. Also here’s my best attempt at it(3rd image)
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@Jesper Axelsson hello been a while do you have any tips regarding perspective? Also is my anatomy at least on the right track? @Steve Lenze hello thanks for tips for last time I’ve been trying to apply measuring to my portraits but it’s proven very stressful but hope for some critiques regarding these as well if that’s ok with you .
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Journey 14
6mo
Hello I have returned two weeks later and I’ve been practicing gesture again. I’m still focusing on portraits and will be posting those in the next two upcoming weeks. In gesture I’ve been trying to implement perspective I haven’t been studying the muscles yet I’m waiting until I understand the bones first so that’s why some of my muscles in my recent poses have been wonky. I know someone said to measure but it’s difficult it kinda feels restraining in my opinion I prefer to eye it but I am practicing that…somewhat. here are the most recent gestures I completed and I do have difficulty with simplifying the figure when my key points of reference are blocked from view . I guess I suck at foreshortening. Some of these were from imagination( been tryin to test myself a bit going slowly). Hope for some tips and critiques.
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@Steve Lenze hello long time no text. Have any critique? Thanks so much in advance and for all the others as well @Jesper Axelsson
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Hello 👋 it’s been a long time since I’ve came on here. Still drawing and I feel as though I’m staring to actually see genuine progress and things are slowly starting to click for me. I haven’t done many portraits in the past however I have practiced loomis and even the Riley method I also bought a course from Marco bucci painting the head and tried to implement both proko and Marco’s concepts together I would say it was quite challenging but I feel as though I may have found some things that connect may not connect. My only gripe is I could not for the life of me draw the eyes it was torture so I opted them out for now. I think my greatest improvement was my patience in making sure every line counted although I did not measure I hate measuring so I just eyed it. Hope for some critiques regarding if it looks solid or did I get the perspective correct.
Liandro
Hey, @silentmoonss, yes: the bottom red arrow corresponds to the medial ridge of the scapula. As for the Acromion process, you got it close enough: it actually sits a tiny bit to the left of the upper red arrow. The Trapezius and the Deltoid muscles attach around the Acromion process, so we can use their volumes as clues to locate the Acromion. Notice that, because of the leaning (he's arching his back towards the camera) and the perspective (we're viewing the body slightly from above in this photo), the top planes of the forms of the Scapula are showing more, so we'll see the acromion more straight on. Envisioning the bones on photos of real people is often an exercise of imagination, and, to a certain extent, of memory and logic, too. If we can’t literally see the bone, we can sort of deduce it or guess it based on what we know about the human anatomy and by using other visual clues we see on the body. For example: we can’t always see every part of the Scapulas, but we always see where the spine is; so, from there, based on what we remember about the average proportions and the overall anatomy, we could sort of track a “route” to estimate where each part of the Scapulas would be. Other times, we can use the muscles we see and what we remember about their attachments to track where the bones should be located (as I did in this case). To develop this skill of envisioning the underlying bones, simply drawing the bones can help, but it’s also crucial to try to learn and remember a general sense of the anatomy, sort of like a “visual scheme” of the body in our minds. Hope you find this helpful! By the way, I took a quick look at your profile and I see you’re not currently taking Stan’s anatomy course. Have you taken it before already or are you considering to take it in the future?
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@Liandro hello thank you for replying. No I haven’t registered for proko’s anatomy course just yet I’m making use of his free videos on YouTube until I can afford the premium version so yep I will definitely be taking it in its entirety in the future for more help. Thanks again it actually makes a lot more sense to me now and I’m glad I’m starting to get a small but basic idea of where the landmarks are
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