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In this lesson, we'll explore the essential practice of working in stages in art. You'll learn how to plan and execute your projects methodically, just like professional illustrators. We'll cover how to refine your designs through sketches and critiques, understand the importance of underlying forms, and balance careful planning with spontaneity.
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COMMENTS
Learn the differences between creating art in structured stages and drawing spontaneously. I share methods from personal projects, discussing how stages can help with precision, while spontaneity enhances creativity. Along with tips on thumbnails, vellum tracing, and timed sketches, this lesson helps guide artists on balancing both approaches to improve skill and intuition.
I thought I'd show the couple tries I did with isometric illusion. I realize that I don't get it. LOL I can't figure out how to make the illusion, even if I made a bit of it. I'm not sure where my mindset needs to be.
The first picture I used just the protractor and the triangles with a t-ruler. So I didn't mind that way, but I need a bigger place to do this kind of practice. My kitchen table is also a bit small. Heh.
The second picture I printed an isometric grid from Adobe and placed it beneath some tracing paper, so I could maybe get a handle on what I'm doing. I think it didn't help the way I'd hoped. I'm better off just using the rulers and not looking at that grid.
I'm a little confused about this course. When do we learn how to make vanishing points? How far apart do I separate the floor lines leading further away? Is this the wrong course for learning how to create vanishing points that lead off the page?
I truly enjoyed this mini lesson Marshall. Whenever I find time to sit down and actually draw and practice drawing. I always seem to so lost when it comes to going through each step as well as letting me hand do the thinking for me while doing the fun spontaneious route as well. Looking forward to the upcoming assignments to practice on.
Love to see the stages of your drawings, this is very good advice. I use thumbnails but I feel like I could do more, and really, they are a lot of fun.
I'm curious to hear more about the use of vellum. I see you use the vellum to re-create a drawing without the guiding lines, great. When you need to color this drawing, do you do this on the vellum? It seems to me like there would be another step of transferring it back to watercolor paper for inking etc... Or, do you use vellum knowing that a drawing on vellum would end at graphite?
just can't wait to try out the concepts so did a lil doodle while watching Marshall's videos. I'm super excited for this journey of learning perspectives.
Hi Marshall and gang! I love seeing your finished drawing and your working sketches. It gives me confidence not to shy away from drawings that aren't polished and actually develop my skills. Sort of like going to the gym to get good rather than look good while you're there! Then use those skills to execute a finished piece when ready.
I was doing this already a bit with a perspective problem I was working out for my grandmother who paints based on a photo she sent me. I started in pencil and refined in pen to make it more clear for her. It's a subtle perspective looking through a window at a slight angle. Here it is in case anyone can share in the learning or give me any feedback!
Thanks!
If you have the pic, I would trace on top with vellum the actual vanishing points to help her position objects in space accurately. This looks like a three point perspective model. The actual vanishing points will be far away from the cropped frame, so maybe a smaller thumbnail demonstrating the overall idea of how perspective is affecting space in this photograph, and then a more detailed one like this one you made for her, with the three axis distortions. That is what I would do, because right now you showed her only a single vanishing point perspective distortion and she will focus on that, missing the other two; that even though they are slightly altering the space, are having an important role when it comes to positioning the objects in space.
Will you do a shading demonstration sometime? I love how your pencil renderings look :)
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Elior,
I used to teach rendering many years ago, but no reason to now. When you have Dorian Iten doing the job... you have instruction beyond anything I ever offered.
But thank you. I did enjoy rendering, and I think that one of the secrets to it (apart from knowing how), is to enjoy it.
Maybe I'll demo when we finish all this line work.
Hi, Marshall - thanks for the lesson!
I’m really looking forward to learning how to wrap rubber bands around a sphere as I’ve struggled with them when learning the Loomis method from his book, where he compares the head to a ball with a nail running through the axis. I didn’t realize lined spheres relate to boxes 🫢 Everything does seem to come down to drawing cubes…
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Yeah, it does, unromantic as it seems. Those three axes are the core.
But, deep into this course, you will master the axes first, then the ellipses that spin around them will be sooooo much easier for you.
if you are ambitious to move fast, my 1994 course, or for that matter, Scott Robertson's book HOW TO DRAW, can give you all the info ahead of time.
Hi!! Great lesson as always. I want to know if someone could recommend me any drawing books for perspective, thanks :D @Marshall Vandruff
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I have several pages of reviews here:
https://www.marshallart.com/HOME/reviews/
For Perspective, look under Draftsmanship.
huh, I'm actually really looking forward to lessons on taking risks! I'm always overthinking things and worrying about wasting materials to the point that materials go unused for years.
I've always struggled with the patience to do several sketches.
When I was struggling with that I realized it was because I was developing my 'dud' sketches too much. Marshall mentioned setting a timer of some kind to limit how long you spend on each idea, and I think that's rock solid advice. It might not be your patience at all, you might just be putting too much effort into a bunch of rough drafts youre probably not going to end up using.
Marshall, thanks for your articulate explanation. Your artwork is amazing.
I know this is off topic, but you talk of airbrushing in the past. Could you provide a link so I can visulise what this process involved? Thumbnail drawing looks challenging. It seems you need a good understanding of what you see, to put to paper what you see or imagine. Thanks again.
Hmm, judging from how you worded it, I've been giving my thumbnail sketches too much thought instead of letting spontaneity take over. Truly letting one aspect of your brain take over is unexpectedly difficult.
those line drawings of the boar and fox at the end are really beautiful Marshall !
here is a videos of artist working in stages i stumbled upon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qM2vHahcqQ
Right off the bat, those illustrations from your advertising days are absolutely stunning. They're precise, realistic-looking and so beautifully rendered! They look so tactile! And it's blowing my mind that you achieved that level of rendering on the photo filter disc image overnight.
One of my profs from my uni days was instrumental in instilling the habit of keeping a sketchbook and drawing regularly within it. I have a sketchbook but I'm nowhere close to as regular as I should be. Additionally, I run into the problem of doing the opposite as you describe in this video with sketchbook drawings which is to do less thinking and be 'uncareful'. I tend to want to get it right as soon as I put pen to paper but I realise now how futile a mindset like that is.
I'm so grateful for videos like these as they not only teach process and technique, but also discipline.
I feel like sketchbook “tours” on YouTube have contributed to the precious sketch issue. Very few people show their less than perfect iterations, unfortunately.
