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Heather Houston
I need some feedback if possible. Thank you so much 😍 I know she has no hands πŸ˜‰πŸ€£
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Dwight
I'm not sure if I've illustrated it completely, but I noticed a couple of things. 1. The rib cage's center of mass is too high up. Remember that it's thickest about 2/3rds of the way down. 2. The lumbar section is a little long. A fist should fit between the Iliac crest and the bottom of the ribs in a neutral pose. 3. The clavicle connects to the scapula, not the humerus. 4. It may depend on what you wanted the arms to do, but I'd argue the scapula should be pushed out more. Remember that they can move independently of the rib cage. I've tried to draw what I mean especially the pushed out scapula, but I'm not that good at drawing on my computer. Let me know if you need anything else. - Dwight
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Dwight
I guess I stretch out my drawings to much. Also, organic forms are really hard.
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aeyt
Here is my third set for this assignment! Previously i had drawn a lot of side/back profiles so i focused on the front on this one. I think proportions are now my biggest issue since especially the first couple ones seem to suffer from long torso and/or leg syndrome.
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Dwight
Hello, if you'd like my advice, I'd try to make the torso/pelvis slimmer. I think the leg and torso lengths are okay, but if you're really worried, do more gesture. I've attached my gesture to mannequinization that may help with keeping the flow as you think in 3D. It also has the torso reduction that I started this comment with. The negative space between the arms and ribcage is the correct shape, I'd just trim the body even more down. Hope I help. - Dwight
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Dwight
I didn't make the shapes on the face simple enough. Although my values are organized, they're not clear enough shadow vs light. Proportions are off, thought that wasn't the focus of this exercise. Anything else? I usually don't like doing portraits, but this time around I felt no obligation to get likeness or anything, instead focusing on getting the values right. This made drawing the face pressure-less, so I had a good time drawing today.
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Dwight
Hey, as the title says, I've been watching a lot of Gi lately, and I've wanted to try it out to a lesser extent. Of course I used reference, and here's what I have. I've learned how good Gi was at visualizing forms, as the second I stop thinking about the 3D-ness of the body, it falls flat (see my hands). And while juggling this with proportion and depth, I've found another angle in which Gi is amazing. Overall, I think I succeeded in what I aimed to do, but was curious as to what I could look for next time I do this. More cross contours? Fitting whole bodies on the page? More gesture? Thanks. - Dwight
Dwight
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Hey guys, I've attached some of my more recent gesture drawings. Although I want them critiqued, I more so want to ask you guys about "off days" in drawing. My digital drawing I've attached was from a couple of days ago, and I remember feeling awful after doing it. Nothing seemed to work and I felt really disheartened to continue. Then today (the charcoal ones) my gestures felt pretty good. It made me realize that I just wasn't having a good day last time. I remember that Stan said you'll get dips and peaks in confidence, but even knowing that, it's really hard to come back afterwards. This isn't the first time this has happened, but a string of failures has gotten me to look pessimistically about my future. Any thoughts on how to solve this? Let me know. - Dwight
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Dwight
Hello, the only thing I see is how far the Sacrum is sticking out. I believe that it should fit within the bucket, or at least that's how I draw it.
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Samuel Sanjaya
my first attempt, i think i take drawing the form too literal, it messes up all my proportion. Need some feedbacks on how to handle this, especially the proportion.
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Dwight
Hey Samuel, it's me again. My advice for good proportion is to make a lot of comparisons across the body. After finding the gesture, try to find the angles between specific places on the reference, then compare them to what you have drawn. Eventually, you'll get intuitive proportion where you don't have to measure, but for now, I'd highly recommend taking your time and making sure all portions are the correct size. In terms of what things you should think about, here's what I do. For measuring (the lines that look like the letter "I" in my example), I measure things that I think are about the same size, to see if I guessed right. For the "plum lines" (the arrows in my example), I see where symmetric parts of the body compare to each other. For instance, the hands are far apart vertically, as well as the feet. I also use these for horizontal placement, such as the left edge of the head being over the left leg. Finally, the "negative space" (the shaded areas in my example). Wherever you see the background between the figure is a good place to study the shape. This is usually between the legs or between the arms and the body. Tell me if you want more detail. - Dwight
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Dwight
I don't know leg anatomy, so take with a grain of salt, but is the lower right leg (his left) a little bubble-y? Also just my opinion but I don't like how the right leg (again, the model's left) is shaded darker than the other, but that's just preference. Nice work though.
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Dwight
I've tried using my manniquinization knowledge to jump of the deep end, but I'm not sure I swam. I also tried a less line-based core shadow, which you can also comment on.
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Dwight
Don't really know what's wrong with the center one, but feel free to critique any of them. I also tried drawing the knee differently each time, so let me know which one you like. - Dwight
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Julip
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Hello! I am interested in critiques on this gesture/structure drawing I did without much anatomy focus. I spent about an hour trying to get this pose right but I still feel like something’s off, I’ve always struggled with back poses. I think the main issue is in the butt and legs area or maybe the oblique. Any critiques are appreciated. I can also send the reference pic as a DM if that would be helpful! Thank you all so much!
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Dwight
Hello, just my initial feeling, but I think the ribcage is too high. The distance between the bottom of the ribs and the pelvis is usually a fist length, which in yours seems like 1.5 - 2 fists. I have not studied butts or legs so will not comment about them. I've attached my attempt.
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Crocudyle Boxes
Hi! I've got a few questions concerning how to avoid the snowman effect in apparently symmetrical parts of the body and more "stiff" and symmetrical poses (see examples for such poses below). I'm having a hard time finding a smooth gesture in symmetrical poses, especially those where the subjects are standing up straight. Also how can we do the torso / pelvis / legs in an asymmetrical (not snowman-ish) way when the subject is facing us? If anyone would like to try these, just posting what you did with them might give me some ideas and help me out Thanks!
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Dwight
Here's my attempt, hopefully you can tell which ones I did. They range from 30 sec - 15 mins, depending on what I wanted to do. As to advice on not snowman-ing, just conscious practice.
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Dwight
Hey, I haven't posted in a while, mostly because I don't have any completed things to share. But here's something I did today; nothing new, just more practice. I've been trying to paint digitally, but can't seem to get the right feeling for my brushes. I'm using IBIS paint if anyone has tips. Anyway, tell me what I can improve on. - Dwight
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ashlynn4567
Hello all - I'm looking for critique on my assignments. Gesture is incredibly difficult for me for a variety of reasons. When attempting a 30-second pose session, it felt like I couldn't even establish all limbs without running out of time. Furthermore, on my longer sessions it became evident that I'm struggling to convey exaggerated motion, as many of my figures remain stiff. I believe that I'm heavily focusing on structure instead of motion, but I find it really really difficult to make the character look like anything resembling a human without drawing some semblance of form segments. I tried to reflect upon why my gestures turned out the way that they did in the notes section of each assignment. I think for my next few sessions, I'm going to start by drawing arrows representing the movement / action line of each limb and stringing each of those segments together. Hopefully that will have me focusing less on contours of each. Maybe this approach will even help me remember the asymmetry of connected body segments, as well as learning how to portray relaxed vs tense curves. Do any other beginners here feel like there's too many things to remember all the time with this exercise? Because I'm struggling -.-" I'm wondering if I should keep practicing these types of gestures before continuing on in the video series. Part of me wants to keep practicing this, but part of me thinks that learning concepts like "the bean" or 3d forms will help me in constructing the human body. Any thoughts? Anywho, I understand that I need more practice most of all. Please don't hesitate to let me know if you have any further suggestions for me :)
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Dwight
Hey Ashlynn, I have some advice. 1. Reference photos. Photos with cloth that obscure the figure aren't really good for learning gesture. Extremely cropped photos don't really help either. I'd avoid these for now. 2. The point of 30 second gesture is to summarize the movement of the body quickly. Don't worry about proportion or anything else yet. Try to distill the body to about 2-5 lines. The purposes of the 30 second gesture is to build a habit of gesture first, then form. In 1 minute poses, you should be doing the 30 second gesture, then laying contour on top of your gesture. Of course, the more time you have means the slower you can take each step, but make sure you're starting in the same place regardless of time. I did two of your references (same timing as yours), then added notes I thought you may find helpful. Note: the second picture is my "30 sec" gesture of the 2 minute poses. Didn't actually measure how much time it took out of the 2 minutes. This exercise also made me realize how nice your handwriting is. Let me know comments or questions. - Dwight
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Samuel Sanjaya
Hi ! this is my gesture drawing after seeing this video. I have little trouble when drawing single lines, and line of action, but after that, especially the "completed" gesture, it's kinda hard not to think in contour, since some gesture indeed conform to the contour itself. I need critiques and feedbacks, thank you.
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Dwight
I think you're line of action is pretty good, as it follows where I would put it (I especially like #8). The only thing I would change is how smooth it is. In my first picture, such as my #11, I simplified the head, torso, and leg all into one swipe. To me, your line of action wants to follow each body part, instead of looking at the body as a whole. I'd try doing 30 second gesture drawings (on sites such as line-of-action.com where it skips pictures automatically) to improve whole body gesture. Having a time limit makes us think of the big picture instead of the details. Note: if 30 seconds feels too short, try starting with 2 minutes and decrease when comfortable. And as to contour, I'd only draw contours that "flow" together. I've tried to illustrate what I mean, but Stan's gesture video does a better explanation. But basically, every time you draw a curve, draw a curve below or above it to "catch" the energy instead of two curves side by side. Mike's videos on The Force Method (also here on Proko) explain how to "catch energy" if you want more info. - Dwight
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hugpillows
First time posting, would love some critique, thank you in advance.
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Dwight
The only thing I see is the lumbar section's length (too long); remember that you can pinch the muscle between the iliac crest and the bottom of the ribs.
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Dwight
Hello, I have a couple things to add. I'd say that you're placement of the abs is really good, just the forms don't feel believable. 1. though they're not perfectly symmetrical, I think using the same shape for each ab tricks our brain into assuming they are. So I'd recommend changing up the tendonous intersection's start and stop points. 2. A minor thing, but usually men's abs are roughly the same width, while women's create a violin shape. More generally, I'd widen where your abs attach to, as it looks like you're leaving room between the obliques and the abs. 3. (optional) Although shading isn't the focus, if you want your forms to pop more, I'd add variation in your terminator. Take the image labelled 6.2. To me, it looks like a box-y shape for the abs, when the reference shows a more gradual change at the bottom and a sharp edge at the top (of the abs). Making the terminator thicker or thinner depending on the form shape will elevate your drawings. Finally, I did some drawings to put my money where my mouth is. Respond if you need anything else. - Dwight
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Dwight
Sorry it's been a minute. I tried to do Drawabox to improve my knowledge of forms, and instead it made me lose interest in drawing all together. I'm going to take a break from it for now, and just go back to figure drawing. Here's an interesting angle, and I tried to capture it (I see now that the head's a too big). Let me know what you find off. - Dwight
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pmak22
After a 3 month hiatus I'm picking back up where I left off last time. The rust is coming off but it maybe a few days before I get back to where I was.
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Dwight
Hey pmak, I think you did pretty good on this assignment. I'd just watch out for losing gesture, especially in the shoulders. Notice how both of your mannequins are very straight and stable, and how the references aren't. I've drawn along with you, showing what I mean. Hope this helps. - Dwight
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