Christopher Lebreault
Christopher Lebreault
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Lee Bates
Nice work. For the most part, the gesture is clear, however it is clear you don't like drawing feet or hands. Simply suggesting a thumb, a big toe can add a lot of information quite easily. As others have mentioned, you seem to get distracted by the outline of the form and muscle structure, that's not really the idea of gesture drawing. Other's have also suggested working smaller, but I'd actually suggest working large, A2 or A1 is great. This is because it encourages you to draw with your whole arm, making your gestures more fluid. Look for bony landmarks too. These include the acromion (the bump on the outside end of the collar bone), the iliac crests (the bony part of your hips either side of your belly button), the sternum, lateral and medial epicondyles of the humerus (either side of the elbow), the medial and lateral malleolus (bones in the ankles). Landmarks such as these will help you create a stronger relationship between the different parts of the body. It also helps having a basic understanding of anatomy. Finally (and arguably least importantly), is proportion. It's not vital in gesture drawing but it certainly helps. You seem to draw your legs a bit short, they're a lot longer than most people think!
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Christopher Lebreault
"however it is clear you don't like drawing feet or hands." LOL I literally just had that conversation with my instructor earlier today. They are a major thorn in my side that I have to get over. I don't know if I am making excuses or if my logic is valid, but I am conscientiously avoiding them as I want to get as much as I can out the course while I have the opportunity to have an instructor IRL. Typically I do 30 secs -2 mins pose on the smaller size to preserve paper,but your suggestion of A1 or A2 is def something I will consider on my next trip to the art store. That landmark tip is a good call out, thanks!
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Christopher Lebreault
Thank you everyone for giving me some awesome advice. I hope I emblemented them well. I would some critiques on this batch that I did today. Ten 30 seconds, Five 1 minutes, Two 5 minutes and 1 each at 10 min and 20 min. I feel that I am getting better at finding the line of action (still not where I want it to be however). I have noticed that I end up getting too reliant on the Line of action as i proceed into the drawing. What I mean is I end up treating it more like a center than a line of action. Any and all words of advice welcome. Thank you
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hunt4animation
Hi Christopher! Thanks for sharing your gestures. I noticed I was going to post a similar critique as Ken’s. I recommend working a lot smaller and for quicker studies. Get a lot of mileage in and not focus too long on one pose. Get free with your marks and loosen up. Get less reliant on the shapes and outlines and more so on rhythms and proportion. It would be helpful to work in a media that is more bold such as ink. So that the lines that you use matter and it will help understand what to include and what to leave out. Alongside further figure studies I would recommend daily mark making and shape making exercises to get additional muscle memory and will help get the most out of a life drawing study
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Christopher Lebreault
Hey Hunt! thank you for your words of advice. You have given me some things to think about. When you say "Get less reliant on the shapes and outlines and more so on rhythms and proportion" I am assuming you are referring more shorter gestures rather than longer one? More specifically asking about reliances on shapes. I have switched over to COL-Erase Prisma pencils since starting this thread. It is bolder but definitely not on the level of ink. Funny enough, Most mornings I do some shape/mark making exercises before starting my day.
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Christopher Lebreault
I guess I'll ask first lol. Can you follow along with CSP?
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Ken Tran
Hello. Before anything, I think next time you may want to take your picture under a better light sources, some lines in your drawing are pretty vague and with the addition of weak lighting, it make others have a very hard time to figure out what you draw to give you a good feedback. And then, it seems that you're still having a hard time at trying to catch the line of actions in each pose, you focus too much on the outer line of the body and sometime got distracted by muscle. If you're already trying to work on these issues, I suggest you take around 30 sec in each pose to draw the line of action, one big line for the body part and 4 smaller for other limbs connected to the big one. And when you decided to do longer pose, I suggest you to stop at 1 min, no more. It will be hard, but it will train you to only work on the gesture. so try your best to do those poses in under 1 min. And when you feel you're ready to move on, you can start to build body structure on top of the gesture, but that is future's thing. So good luck!
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Christopher Lebreault
Thank you for your feedback! I definitely could have taken better pictures. I 100% felt like I was focusing on the outside and muscles a little too much. I was giving the line of action alot of consideration, but finding it has proven challenging. As stated, I am taking a local figure drawing course so I am forced to proceed to longer poses and building structure, but I will work on your suggestions during my HWs, which I have a lot of freedom to do and focus on what I want. Thanks again
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Christopher Lebreault
Hello! I was hoping to get some feedback on these drawings. These are from my homework for a local figure drawing course I am taking. They are 2min, 5min, and 10 min gesture/figure drawings. I feel like I am not focusing on the right things when I am doing these.... I just do not know what it is I am focusing on and what I am ignoring. I do not have the reference photos but I do have the link to the video I used. Thank you in advance https://youtu.be/Sb6n5rWtv04
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Stephen Hopkinson
Awesome! I have been tempted to purchase one, I have been reaching out to the Proko team to see when they are back in stock as it's unclear on the website, but no luck for a reply yet. Do you know if this is from a new batch or did you order a long time ago if you don't mind me asking? Thanks
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Christopher Lebreault
I wish I had some answer there, I just decided to buy one because of Lightbox expo recently. I took almost a month to a arrive.
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Christopher Lebreault
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Wooohooo! I've finally received my proko skull! Can't wait to do some studies 😌
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Hank Macleod
I learned recently that allowing yourself to be bored can improve creativity, so I like to limit my predrawing entertainment. I do something mundane and meditative, like eat breakfast without any other stimulation before I draw. It can really help with the enjoyment of sketching warmups and drills. Personally, I start with 5 mins of drills I don't have to think about, like connecting two dots with one smooth stroke, thin to thick lines, thick to thin, ellipses, freehand boxes in perspective from imagination, etc. Then I do some 2- and 5-minute gesture drawings from reference.sketchdaily.net. Then I draw for fun, either a project or just unplanned doodling, then at some point I do a lesson (right now I'm working through Proko's anatomy course). I'd love to hear how your daily sketching is going! That's exactly how I started cultivating a daily art practice, too. I've fallen off the wagon a couple times, but every time I climb back on it gets a little easier. Fingers crossed I've got it figured out this time but honestly what are the chances of that? Good luck to you!
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Christopher Lebreault
That's awesome! The mundane is so difficult for me to be honest, probably because it is so boring 😂 I'll try and learn from you however. My morning routine thus far has been brewing coffee and a 5-10 min morning sketch session. Either a drill of something fun using drill rules. (Every line I draw has to be connected by dots for example) I'm with u too. Ive fallen off a few times. But I think I'm fully on this time
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Christopher Lebreault
My entry to my first ever art challenge ! Mostly lemur. A beetle's head and thorax are kind fused into one another, tried to implement that here, giving him the exoskeleton on the back. Added the seahorses tail. Thank you for your consideration. I had a lot of fun here.
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Christopher Lebreault
These are hard 😂 practices help you the most.
Michael Mendiola
Best resource? Oof, I’m going to have to say your eyes. Copy professional animation, copy life, just pencil to paper all the time. Then post for critique! Out of all the books and video lessons I have hoarded, nothing has made a stronger impact on my progress than by just making something and then reflecting, daily, then double daily, etc. As for specifics, I’m fairly certain the best resources you can find on any artistic topic is here through Proko, Aaron Blaise, or any Youtuber you’re willing to give 5 minutes to. I hope this helped!
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Christopher Lebreault
Thank you for your response, I am going to go off topic and ask if you have any recommendations when it comes to reflection? I try to reflect on my pieces and see what is good and what is not good but it does not work for me. for example: I come up with "this line is off." and can't figure out out why it is off and how to fix that issue for next time.
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Bart Vanderwaal
Got here after watching the podcast haha! To quote a reasonably famous youtuber: it depends. Seriously tho, a course that i might love the vibe off might totally miss the mark for you. I started out doing the Watts online thing with Brian Knox, which i love for fundamentals of head / figure. Then took dynamic sketching on CGMA which got me into creating stuff, then moved into Schoolism which is where i go to at the moment, and this place right here. Another one i have to mention is Villpu's classes on New Masters, his appoach is very interesting and you can see the same approach being used in a lot of the disney sketches. I guess thats my list of favorite courses and places, hope that helps.
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Christopher Lebreault
Your response definitely did help! It confirmed at least what Stan was saying in the podcast, I have seen most of your suggestions come up A LOT ( all of them a few times but often times Schoolism, Watts, and CGMA.) Right now I am working through DrawaBox, but I will definitely be checking these out once I finish a DaB (Wish I had more time to do more than 1 course at a time 😥) Follow up: I would love to see some of your creations !
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Christopher Lebreault
Hello Proko community! What are the best resources/ classes I should be looking at or taking to one day make it in the entertainment industry. Specifically animation (prop, storyboard, character) My question was recently featured in the most recent episode of Draftmen (section titled too many resources.) Anyone who saw this episode knows I was given a homework assignment to ask my question here, thanks @Stan Prokopenko & @Marshall Vandruff once again. Thank you to the community for your time
Christopher Lebreault
Good Day Proko community! I am trying to get myself it the routine of sketching or drawing for 10-15 mins every morning. I did it today (YAY!) but I found myself doing my warm ups... asking myself if this is what I want for my morning time. (This is totally an internal question, just typing out loud) What are some routines you all have for yourselves. Could be morning routines, could be routines in general.
Christopher Lebreault
*mind blown emoji* That was my question! thank you for answering @Stan Prokopenko @Marshall Vandruff !! I will do that HW assignment ! Never thought of reddit (it's a scary place over there for someone unfamiliar with it lol)
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Zoungy Kligge
In regards to the question about how to sift through the online art ed resources and find the right ones for you, I sometimes recommend my students do this: Build an Instagram tree of favorite art resources. Start with an artist you really admire, and check who they follow. Do this quickly...tap on the followed accounts and scroll just once or twice down their page. Look for strong visual content near the top of the page. If it's not awesome, go back and try another. If you really like it, follow that artist. Do this fast without thinking too much. I try to find accounts that have consistently strong content, and you can tell this without digging too long. I would avoid inconsistent accounts or ones with a lot of ads and graphics and lifestyle content. Spend an hour or two doing this every couple days. Soon your feed will be filled with great artists, and you'll begin to notice things like when they offer classes, or who they are learning from, and then you'll know to check out those resources in turn.
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Christopher Lebreault
This was actually my question! Thank you for your response, I never thought of doing an instagram tree. This makes a lot of sense!
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Kristian Nee
Hey Christopher! The first thing I would do if I were you would be to find a community to draw with. Whether it's online or in person, that's up to you but I think it's essential to art growth to be in a community of people you enjoy being around. Building your own curriculum from scratch is almost impossible, and not really necessary. There are so many people out there that do weekly sketch groups, host art discords, or figure drawing workshops. If you're determined, you shouldn't have too much trouble building a community. The benefit of a community is that it will do two things. It will keep you accountable in the way an art school would (for much cheaper) and it will make it fun to do. The boring parts of learning art become fun because you're studying with your friends vs completely on your own. The more you can create your own art community, I think that a study curriculum will fall into place. Hope this helps!
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Christopher Lebreault
This helps a lot! I coincidentally just moved to a new city and was planning on using "Meetup" to get know the city and do some art meetups (will be first time). Something like Proko definitely will help with that as well, but I forgot to log on often (cannot wait for an app!)
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Christopher Lebreault
Hey community! I've been having difficulty with structuring my own art education. I ask the question "I never know when I'm done" or "I never know when to move on" and I'm always met with "never, you will always do these things." So I will use college to expamplify what I mean by I have difficulty structuring my art education. In college you have a Major, a program, a semester, and your classes. These would be Art, curriculum, fall 2021, drawing 101 (respectively) I know my "major". It's art(DUH), but I'm hoping to work in animation. Idk what my "curriculum" would be or how long my "semesters" should be, and my class feel more like electives because I have no direction to follow. (even if I'm on the right track) My question to you all here is, how are you handling/managing your art education? Any suggestions or resources, etc? THX!
Christopher Lebreault
Thank you Stan, Marshall, and Flint. This is definitely a relevant topic for a lot of us here. I understand the substance of the information provided, but I am not much of a good "developer" to I don't know how to implement it into my own journey. Turning the process into a game/habit sure does have some benefits. While we wait for Proko's Gamification to be released, I am curious what my fellow listeners took away from this and how they will implement this information into their own journeys.
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