Spyridon Panagiotopoulos
Spyridon Panagiotopoulos
Athens
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Spyridon Panagiotopoulos
Tried to do my first 7, no angle change, just to get a quick feeling. I will be moving to sketch and then angle change from here. Tbh, it's the first time I look at the rest, and feel defeated. 7 years in, and it still looks bad. Oh well 7 more years ahead. I hope.
@ashfin613
Keep it simple concentrate on the major forms first and imagine what they would look like at a different angle. I didn't bother with trying to find the horizon and vanishing points I just used marshalls up and down rule.
Blondie the good
Didn't expect my drawing to get a video! thx marshall😊
Spyridon Panagiotopoulos
Your name will now be remembered for years to come! Seriously though, thank you for this! This is something I have been struggling, and getting the technical know-how is slowly building my confidence.
Spyridon Panagiotopoulos
Thank you, you seem to be in my mind continuously all this course, every-time I am pondering furiously on a question, you are not far away with a video on how it is done. Now, only 10000 bent, curved and twisted arrows to do!
Spyridon Panagiotopoulos
First video, all well, followed, drew along, perfect. Then second video comes. And my brain was fried. I cannot visualize the physicality of the rotation at all. I even got a box, painted the corners, and I still can't understand what kind of rotation it is. Let's take the front plane. X axis for left to right as we look at it, and Y as upwards downwards as we look at it, and Z front to back. Taking the middle of the front plane as the pivot point, it feels as if they are rotating on y axis initially (hence making the box standing) but then we need another rotation on the z axis, so we can get those marked points to go from the front of the box to its back. But that's 2 rotations, not one. No matter how I rotated a box, I couldn't physically get the points from box position A to box position B on a single, simple rotation. It required a complex rotation, that currently my mind simply gives back visualizing. What am I not understanding?
Lin
18d
Naming the axis of rotation confused me too at first when we learned about the axes. We start with the first box lying down on the ground. Then, he rotates roughly 90 degrees (?) on the z axis to flip it to vertical position, and we say it’s rotated on the z axis because if you stab that box like a kebab and twirl the stick, the kebab stick is the z axis. It goes front to back. You can see that z axis kebab poking out of Marshall’s box in the video thumbnail. He then rotates another 90 degrees on the z axis back to horizontal. I think I have this right I am never going to claim I am 100% certain. XD this is where being aware of your axes even when things flip and rotate is important for connecting them. Hence color coding being so necessary here
Spyridon Panagiotopoulos
Had a horrible two weeks, which left me with only a few hours, mostly drained and disheartened. I thought I had time until the 22th, but I realized I was a day late. Oh well. At least I didn't give up! These were only a few of the oblique/3d drawings I attempted, and not the best, but they are the ones I feel had the most amount of mistakes to look at. So might as well upload those. They are also much more based on feeling than careful measuring (a trap I fell afterwards, as I felt my intuition was bad).
Marshall Vandruff
You did the right thing, and the work is better than your critical mind acknowledges. Thanks Spyridon.
Spyridon Panagiotopoulos
You got my name perfectly, Master Vandruff. Which is extremely rare, and hugely appreciated! As for the subject, the front view is wrong. The back side should have extended as the top view suggested! I corrected it in preparation for the oblique view. Thank you for this amazing course, by the way. It was WELL worth the wait, my simpler sketches are already showing improvements from doing the first twenty three orthos!
Spyridon Panagiotopoulos
Struggled a lot with getting arrows to go into the background, or coming out of, but in the end I started getting the hang of it. That said, I still can't do it without the scaffolding (the plane below). What am I doing wrong? Is this considered the exercise, or did I fail for not going at it blindly?
Spyridon Panagiotopoulos
And the freehand training that went before I did the above
Spyridon Panagiotopoulos
I do not know why, I got stressed to do these all at once, and then I realized I have half a month more for the deadline...Oh well
Dedee Anderson Ganda
on the bright side, you managed to push through these number of drawings! You should feel proud!
Spyridon Panagiotopoulos
That was extremely fun. Hours were lost. I will be definitely using it as a stress release practice.
Josef Knoll
Hey! First of all, I just want to say that the drawings you're showing here are anything but horrid. They simply reflect your current level and understanding of gesture drawing, and it’s clear that you're no beginner. I find it really admirable that you're continuing to pursue your childhood dream, and if I were you, I definitely wouldn’t give up. Gesture drawing can feel a bit enigmatic for many artists and is actually supposed to flow effortlessly. In your drawings, there’s a bit of visible tension, and in a way, you might be taking the gesture a little too seriously. Gesture, in essence, is an abstraction, and like any abstraction, it relies on all the knowledge you’ve built up. So, the best way to improve your gesture drawing at this point might actually be to focus on completely different aspects—such as artistic anatomy. Studying how bones are structured, where muscles attach, and how they function will naturally enhance your gesture work. From time to time, after gaining more "explicit knowledge"—for example, learning about the structure of the leg—you can return to gesture drawing and will likely notice an improvement. More foundational knowledge will strengthen your ability to capture gestures. To put it simply: I'm very confident that diving into artistic anatomy and the geometric construction of the body will also deepen your understanding of gesture drawing. And most importantly—try to stay relaxed! A gesture should just be the starting point of a drawing. I’d also recommend checking out Bridgman’s books—he takes a slightly different approach to rhythm, which can be really enriching for gesture drawing.
Spyridon Panagiotopoulos
Thank you for your time and detailed reply! Gesture has been different from all other aspects of drawing I am practicing. Up to now all parts of drawing, even simplification, followed a clear route to the final result. And you either got it, or mistakes are plain to the eye once you take the time to look. Gesture was not. But I guess it's an even more advanced form of simplification, an abstraction that will come with further and further practice, even if it feels no progress is being made. I will try to check Bridgman, I am already looking around for the books, but aside from drawing from life, the rest are quite hard to find in Greece, or rather expensive to order from abroad. If not for bridgman, is there a similar more modern alternative? In the off-chance I can get their book?
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