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Could someone help me? What is the highlighted thingy? Is it just bulging fat from the pose or is it a muscle? IIf its a muscle, than which one?
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I believe it's the serratus anterior, whose function is to tilt the scapula and help lift the arm.
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Excited for this course. Could we get jpegs or pdfs of the images in the lessons?
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Wow, this was super hard.
I did it once with Stan, and then this is my second attempt alone.
Critiques welcome.
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1yr
wait a minute... what happened to the muscles behind the fibula? Surely the calf muscles wrap around?
Challenging myself to use fewer lines, and also line weight variation to achieve the gesture.
For number two, I would really like to be able to describe the engagement of core muscles in this pose. Anyone have good ideas of how to do so in a gesture ?
(I started this course I few months ago, got a bit lost in the later stages; had to go outside a bit for inspiration/teaching, and now feel ready to reboot. When it comes to gesture I found Michael Hampton’s explanations, as well as Mike Matessi’s interviews by Proko to be really useful.)
2yr
Thanks @Matt Tsui and @Octavivs for the insights!
yes, now I see how essential the legs and back are in supporting this (which is why the third one seems to be able convey an engagement.)
so amazing, a few lines but they really have to be spot on and work together to capture the essence.
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Did some following along with the video, tried to avoid copying exactly what was shown, but tried to work on following previous lesson instructions. I still don't have enough comfort to push exaggeration as I feel I'm just able to get at the end of the 2 min with something satisfying.
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Great exercise! I’m finding it pretty difficult I have to say. I’ve uploaded these in reverse order. My first two crouching man and twisting woman. Pretty stiff looking, but teaching me to look harder. I reckon I could spend a year just doing these figures. I won’t but they may be all I concentrate on for the rest of the year. We’ll see.
Fairly fresh off the anatomy course so I knew I was going to shoehorn anatomy but when I looked at the example I realized how simplified I need to get to lol
2yr
my instinct after stuffing my head with anatomy was to go back to gesture, just to make sure I had the whole spectrum covered. Figure drawing is such an art, so many components to master...
2yr
well done really working on the torso until you were satisfied. that part was super tricky for me.
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2yr
#1 is own attempt, #2 is copying the Proko version.
I then used layers to check how they compared to the original.
Things I noticed:
The proportions are better when I freehanded it, probably because I went for a rough outline before adding the detailed robo forms. Whereas when I directly copied Proko's, the forms are a lot clearer, but I lost the proportions.
In both cases the head and neck proportions in relationship to the torso caused me a lot of grief.
Foreshortening of his left leg threw me off; my instinct is to bring it inwards when it needs to come straight out to the viewer more. I noticed though that proportion-wise Stan's left leg is taller than the actual photo. I don't know whether the higher crouch was a stylistic choice, but this difference is noted.
Not even close to the quality of most people posting here but hey, progress is progress!
2yr
i totally appreciate people posting what they consider imperfect work, the point is we are all working on it, not just showcasing nice work. I see you are also breaking down the analysis here by tracing; that is a smart intermediate step so you don't have to worry about proportions. Try to think of all the body parts as solid shapes, even the legs and feet.
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I hope it’s ok if I keep posting here. :D really helps me to keep up my study routine. Well, here are some more mannequins from the video in my own version as well as a Loki haha.
Clothing is soooo haaaard. Does anyone know a good course to learn to draw better folds / clothing?
2yr
Not sure about courses, but MORPHO Anatomy for Artists series has a good book on "Clothing folds and creases", talking about tension folds and falling folds, the interaction with different body parts, the tension of different fabrics, seams, etc -- I imagine that to be a good place to start understanding the logic behind folds/clothing.
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Hello everybody! This one was tough, I especially had a hard time with Number 5. I would really appreciate any feedback :)
2yr
Bravo! love how clean your lines are; and the poses are really interesting (and difficult !)
Number 1 the top edge of the torso rectangle, the line I think should be slanting downwards (check the angle of the shoulders), which would give your upper box a more of a tilting backwards feeling. The front of the pelvis box I think faces more away from us (rotating slightly more the left of the picture), which would give us more of the twist.
Number 5, this is a tough one ! The shadow patch on the right shoulder is deceptive, as is his right leg, which is angled out from the pelvis. I had to get down to mimic this pose with my body to try and understand this one and after a lot of work I conclude that your correction (b) has all the angles as I would measure them. But intuitively, something feels slightly off. Is it the lighting and/or the addition of the arms that is making the torso feel like it has a bigger twist than the actual landmarks of a robo-bean ?
thanks for making me really analyse these poses.
2yr
I practice quite a bit but main issues for me is hard to observe the RIGHT angle, I drew first and pause without seeing Proko's demo, then really frustrated that cannot see the correct tilting/ rotation... still trying to figure out where I see the object wrong...Anyone have good advice on that please share with me...no improvement is beating me carrying on..
2yr
I so admire how clean your lines are and how you've given us photo references.
Page 1, upper right one where you compare yours with Proko's... I think the main difference is that Stan is using the rib-cage for the box; where are you are describing the whole torso with yours. So if you look at his rib-cage it is a lot more vertical than the one you "x"ed.
One way I am very rigorous with myself is that I overlay my version on top of the original. This is very easy if you are drawing digitally (with layers + some transparency); but you could also use tracing paper. That way I can see immediately where I am off, and by how much. Since Stan sometimes exaggerates his angles, so when I overlay his on the original it also allows me to see how much he has exaggerated by; and thus I have an objective basis to gauge angles and measurements.
I have a question, how do I make the connection from the bean to robo-bean? I am trying to draw the bean and from there get the version of robo bean but in the videos Stan goes Straight to the robo bean skipping the bean, or so i think, can someone explain me how to understand transition from the bean to robo bean?
2yr
Check out the critique video at the end of the section ! Marshall explains quite well how to go from ovoids to boxes, it helped me a lot.
2yr
Seriously, I’m so glad I watched the Robo bean critique video before finishing the set. Marshall’s comments on boxes really helped me figure out the relationship between the round bean and the boxes. You can see how much cleaner and confident the lines are afterwards (left). If you haven’t watched it yet go watch that video first before finishing the rest of your robo beans!
Robo Beeeaan!! Once you do enough, you start getting into the rhythm of things. The twists were the fun ones. Open to any helpful feedback
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Could someone check my landmarks / corners of my Robo bean for me? 🙏🏽🙏🏽 I started doing a few and then I realised that I'm not really sure where the corners of the boxes should be so I went back to the actual photos of the models to see if I could identify the landmarks....
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Gosh, this one's hard. I went over this several times, stopped the video, looked, drew, looked, drew. I feel like I need to move on to anatomy. At the moment, I could never see most of what Stan is putting on the paper.
