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Gabi H
I’m pretty sure the distance between vanishing points should always stay the same. There’s a gif on Draw a Box that explains this https://drawabox.com/lesson/1/17/rotation (it’s a rotating box, where you can see the vanishing points moving with the box). I think the distance needs to remain the same or else it would be like using different camera lenses. For example, if you take a picture using a wider lens (the objects look more distorted), take a picture using a long lens and try to put them together, it’s very obvious there not part of the same picture (moderndayjames explains lenses briefly in one of his videos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XF5YuAK63I , about 4 minutes into the video). I tried to illustrate this using your example number 2, but more extreme. In my example, the green boxes look like they could be in the same scene and the blue boxes look like they could be in a different scene together. But together, the green and blue boxes have very different levels of distortions (because the vanishing points are not the same distance apart) so they don’t work together and make things look weird. Basically the lens stays the same, so the distance between the vanishing points stay the same. Hope this will be of some help! (ps I’m not sure if this is the best way to explain it, or if my explanation is 100% correct, but I’ve heard a lot of people who have much more experience talk about how the distance between vanishing points stays the same in a scene)
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Gabi H
I may have misunderstood you’re question. Were you talking about the length of the diagonals you extend towards the vanishing points or the distance between vanishing points when rotating forms in perpective?Sorry if I misinterpreted the question
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lobster
hi there, i bought this course, but i was under the impression there were going to get individual downloadable images to practice? or do we just practice off of the ones proko is doing?
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Gabi H
You can practice off of the one Stan did (I think most people do it to better understand the assignment). The course doesn’t include reference images, but there are model packs you can purchase from Proko. If you’re looking for some timed figure drawing references online, I found that line of action (https://line-of-action.com/practice-tools/figure-drawing) and quickposes (https://quickposes.com/en) are good ressources.
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christiandenosta
hello, I have to be honest, I really want to learn the anatomy of the human body and buy the premium course but I do not have enough money,.. I want to ask some favor, I just want to see the front, back, sideview of this robo skelly...
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Gabi H
Hey, there is an app called the Skelly - poseable anatomy model for artists app (which is much cheaper) where you can move around and pose Skelly and Robo Skelly. Let me know if the pictures work. Hope this helps!
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Gabi H
You mesure the cone of vision from the station point. A 60 degree cone of vision is a 60 degree angle (30 degrees on each side) that you extend to the horizon line. Using the center vanishing point (CVP) draw a circle which will be your cone of vision. I drew an example of a 60 degree cone of vision, but it’s basically the same thing for a 90 degree one (it’s just a 90 degree from the station point, 45 degrees on each side). Hope this helps!
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Attila B
Hello everyone. Thanks for a bit of feedback. I know these are not great, but they are very first attempts. Trying to seek feedback early during practice to avoid getting used to mistakes.
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Gabi H
I think the biggest thing you’re missing is proportions. Not just of the overall body, but of each individual part of the body and their forms (ex. the third image, the leg is incredibly long and narrow). Proportion is talked about in a later lesson (and is a difficult thing to master in general), but I think paying attention to size relations throughout the body, while simplifying the forms, could be a beneficial thing to start to train your eye to see. I would also recommend trying to use more structural forms (make them less organic). If you take a look at Stan’s examples, you can see he uses mostly basic forms. Sometimes they’re bending or twisting, but they still make the figure look stable and structured. I suggest you take a look at the lesson notes, they tend to be of great help and they break down the most important information. Hope this helps! ps. I really like your mindset of posting your work for advice early to minimize bad habits, it’s a really smart idea!
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lukeng
Redid some assignment studies. Looking for feedback
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Gabi H
Excellent job! I really admire your dedication!
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Brenden Chianese
Hello everyone! Been working on gesture for the past couple of weeks. Below are some two minute poses I did today. Was hoping I could get some feedback. I'm starting to feel like I'm getting an idea about the flow of the body but at the same time I feel like I'm missing something. I'm not sure what. I'm hoping another pair of eyes could see the mistakes I'm making. What I have noticed is that I have a hard time exaggerating the body, and that I also struggle with arms/legs as well. Any advice and criticism is welcome!
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Gabi H
I think you did a great job! You can really feel the flow in each pose! The only thing I have to say is maybe worry less about the contours and try to simplify everything to its gesture (especially the legs, don’t pay too much attention to the contours of the quads and calves). But honestly you’ve done an amazing job here!
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lukeng
Here's my assignment studies. Feedback and critiques would be greatly appreciated!
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Gabi H
I think you’ve absolutely nailed the structure for both your shoulder bones and the rib cage! The one thing I noticed is that the scapulae look too small. Obviously proportions change from person to person but usually Stan’s unit of measurement is (for the length top to bottom) one cranial unit and it’s a little under half the length of the rib cage. Yours seem to be almost a third of the length of the rib cage. For reference, he talks about the proportions of the scapula 6 minutes into the critique video of the shoulder bones. Otherwise, great job on the structure and perspective!
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Shuwen Pan
Anyone knows how to draw oval ? any tutorial recomendation ?
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Gabi H
If you go to the critique video for this lesson Stan talks about how to draw the top cap (since they’re in the same perspective, the bottom cap) of the bucket. He talks about it in the first critique he gives, so you don’t have to look far.
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Johan Kurniawan
I tried to do the exercise but I'm having trouble even at finding the bony landmarks, a lot of uncertainty as I'm doing this one. I hope someone can point out my mistakes because I'm not even sure myself where are the mistakes even after looking back at the video lessons and the 3D model
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Gabi H
Usually when I’m trying to find the scapula I follow the acromion process and then I try to find the infraspinatus, or rather the dent it creates next to the trapezius. I think you did a good job at finding it in these studies! Though sometimes it looks like it’s too close to the rib cage (especially in the last drawing, I think it may be because they’re pointing inward too much). The main mistake I found is that the teres major is too large, which is making the infraspinatus look too small. Proportions do change from person to person, but it seems more like you haven’t completely understood its function or form (I’m mostly referring the the first drawing). Since it’s main functions are to help bring the arm down towards the body and extend it to bring the elbow back, it is extended when the arms are raised. The infraspinatus laterally rotates the arm, so it’s usually flexed when the arms are raised. In the first image, the teres major is being stretched, so it should have a shape similar to the right one in your last drawing. If you check out the eBook, the teres major has a shape more like a cylinder whereas the infraspinatus is more flat and wide. I think because the shoulder muscles don’t all flex at the same time, it’s important to understand their individual functions and shapes. The eBook is very helpful, I strongly recommend you take a look. Hope this will be of some help!
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Gabi H
These are quite nice! I would recommend trying to push your beans further in terms of gesture so you can really feel the twisting, the pulling and the squishing (maybe something that can help with this is drawing a line of action). I would also suggest making your beans “tighter” in a sense. They feel floppy, kinda like they represent something other than the movement of the torso. Something I think could help with this is using more spherical forms and really emphasizing the stretch and squash of the bean. Another thing that can help is drawing Stan’s drawing if the bean from his video(s) to help you get familiar with the bean’s movement (it would also help you get mileage and it gives you the assurance your doing thing properly as you follow along) Otherwise, I really like your gestures, especially how you simplify the hands! And for your question, usually Stan recommends practicing each lesson for a week or two and making sure you understand each concept before moving on. Hope this helps!
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concuu
Any tips/pointers would be greatly appreciated. Also if you notice any bad habits.
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Gabi H
I really like the variety of poses you have here! It seems as though you focus too much on the contour at times, instead of the gesture. Sometimes putting a bump for the forearm or calves doesn’t add much to the gesture and can actually stiffen it (for example the first image, the second drawing to the left, the shape of the forearm doesn’t follow the flow of the rest of the drawing). Try using fewer lines and possibly setting a limit or an estimation for how many you’ll allow yourself to use. This could also help reduce the scratchy lines. In most of your drawings it looks very much like you understand the pose, try trusting yourself and your lines more (I realize that this takes time, but you’re on the right path:) ). Hope this will be of some help!
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Bryan
Should I spend a week of gesture drawing or can I just go into bean and other sessions after doing gesture?
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Gabi H
Usually Stan says you should spend a week or two on each lesson and make sure you have a good understanding of the concepts before moving on. Everything builds on top of each other so it’s a good idea to get comfortable with each lesson. Hope this answers your question!
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Gabi H
I really like your initiative, but I think for anatomy it’s generally better to understand the structure (in this case the bones) and then the forms that go on top (muscles). This would also help you learn proportions and give you a better idea on how to simplify thing (like understanding the meaning of the circles, they would represent the knee). I quite like your hands, I think with a bit more structure, you could greatly improve and add a sense of three dimensionality to your drawings. It also seems you’re trying to mannequinize the legs, maybe you could try the proko figure drawing course before the anatomy course? It would be a great starting point if you want to have very fluid and gestural drawings. Hope this helps!
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Alexander Wegner
Hello everyone I've just done theese drawings. It would really help me if you have any feedback. Thanks :D!
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Gabi H
Hi Alexander! My critique is mostly for the first image. I think for this lesson it would be better to focus less on anatomy and rather try to capture the gesture using simple forms. What you did here is quite nice, but it seems the gesture was less important because of the anatomy you put on top. The gesture doesn’t seem to have been pushed to the same extent or farther than the reference. You show a good amount of understanding of the more simple forms in space and mannequinization (you did an incredible job in the third drawing), but sometimes details can distract you from and hide the things you need to focus more on. I don’t really want to say never add anatomy, but I think, in this case, focusing on drawing a nice mannequinized gesture would help anything you put on top flow a lot better. Hope this will be of some help!
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Gabi H
Your drawings are amazing! Everything is nicely detailed! For your wrist, I know this may not be what you want to hear, but I think you should listen to your body. My sister had wrist pain in her dominant hand (it wasn’t carpal tunnel, we never figured out what it was) but she didn’t stop doing the things that hurt it and it got worse. To the point where she needed a splint (like a cast you can take on and off, but it basically immobilized her wrist). Typing and writing, really any activity with her wrist, hurt a lot and she could barely do her school work. Eventually, she stopped doing the things that hurt and slowly started doing exercises to strengthen her wrist. She’s fine now and was able to go back to doing what she was doing before without anything hurting. Considering you’re a beginner and your wrist is an important part for drawing, I seriously think it would be much better if you did take a break (or at least tried doing less, stopping when it hurts). I think it would be much better to deal with this problem now, rather than taking the chance of it getting much worse in the future. Also, maybe get it checked out by a doctor if you can. I’m only talking from my experience and a medical professional could give you more help. I know this is a difficult situation but seeing the amount of work and dedication you put in your drawings, I’m pretty sure you will be able to get through this. Hope this helps and I hope your wrist isn’t a problem for too much longer!
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Gabi H
I like the gestures! For the width of the abs, it changes from person to person, but I find that usually the appearance of the rectus abdominus follows the shape and type of the body. For example, on long and slim people it appears longer. On fit, sort of boxier, people it appears wider and more defined. I drew over pictures to try to give you an example. Another thing is that it looks like you’ve drawn the upper body too wide (and/or not long enough), maybe that could contribute to making the abs look out of proportion? As for the top part of the abs, its the most irregular and definitely it isn’t easier to find they’re shape at times since some parts are under the pec major. Maybe try looking for patterns or common shapes throughout your studies could help you in being able to design them more easily. Hope this helps!
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Jesse Weisbeck
Hi! I've been working on figure fundamentals for a few months. Thought I'd post some recent examples for feedback. I think I've made some progress on my own (I'm a beginner here), but I'm looking for some grading and feedback, as well as if experienced folks think it's worth pushing forward to shading/long draw and potentially onto other lessons. Thanks so much in advance! I have a few hundred of these laying around, but this represents my latest progress.
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Gabi H
These are excellent! You’ve managed to keep the fluidity of the pose whilst still adding the structure. You seem to have an nice understanding of the direction of the form! I’m not super experienced, but I would say if you do move on to shading make sure it doesn’t compromised the amazing flow and balance of your drawings. Great job!
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Gabi H
I really like the detail you put in! Though at first glance it looks like the buildings and lights are slanted inwards. Drawing box in one point perspective means that you can see an entire plane with no foreshortening. This means that the planes facing you (or the camera) have 90 degree angles. The lines of these planes (the ones that don’t converge towards the vanishing point) should either be perpendicular or parallel to the horizon line. The line going up and down should be perpendicular and the horizontal lines are parallel. I tried drawing a diagram under your drawing to give a visual for the horizontal lines. As for the vertical lines, I think they’re perpendicular to the horizon line because there isn’t a vanishing point under or over the horizon line (kinda like the difference between 2 and 3 points perspective). Hopefully this will be of some help! ps I love all the details especially the little sewer!
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Ta Na Moo
Hi everyone, thankyou for all for giving me feedback on my last post. I now ask help for the bean drawings. I have attempted this for a couple of days and I am still confused on some of the concept like twisting the torso. I am also confused about where to place the centre line sometimes. I thought this exercise would be really simple, but boy was I wrong. Anyways I just wanted to thankyous again for the feedback and hopefully help with this one too.
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Gabi H
These are very nice shapes! You can really feel the tension in some of these. For the center line, think of it as the center line of the body. For the front, it starts at the top of the sternum (kinda in between the collar bones), through the belly button (follows the center line of the abs) and to the pubis part of the pelvis (it’s the most forward facing part of the pelvis). From the back, you mostly follow the spine. I drew over the model picture you provided, but I think you did a pretty good job representing it in drawing #2. Hope this helps!
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