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@adove
Hello, I'm new in this platform. I would want to know how to get the reference pictures used in these assignment please ? And do I need a special tool to do the exercise or just pencil is necessary? Thank you in advance for your reply.
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H H
2yr
The assignment images are usually in the downloads tab under the first video of each new lesson (here’s the one for this lesson https://www.proko.com/course-lesson/how-to-draw-arm-bones-anatomy-for-artists/downloads ), the reference images are under the one that says Assignment Images. For this assignments it’s an anatomy tracing, so you can print it out and draw on top or use a digital program. Any tool works! Have fun!
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So - I finished the picture over the weekend. Any feedback and tips, C&C, whatever is welcome! If anyone has any advice on finishing up a traditional piece digitally too, that would be great. I did a 'multiply' layer to push the darker values a little in pixlr The paper I tried to ink on was not ideal in the end so it was difficult to get a clean gradient inkwashing in larger areas buuut thankfully the paper didn't bubble too much. I kind of stuck with the original composition from over a year ago and didn't remove too much in the end so eh maybe it is a little busy. It felt good at least to finish something that had just been a very rough pencil sketch for so long.. Thanks for looking ! (:
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H H
2yr
Incredibly done! I think you did a great job not making the background details too overwhelming, your kappa figure still pops out. I’m still amazed by the level of detail! Congrats on finishing!
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H H
Hey Matt! I haven’t gotten to that part yet, but I’m pretty sure you could do it in any medium. I think it’s a great idea to render it like you would a comic, since it’s more relevant to your goal. I’m not sure what style comic you draw in but here’s a few David Finch videos : https://www.proko.com/lesson/how-to-cross-hatch-for-comics-david-finch/discussions https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okQfa98uLlQ Other good ressources: Robert Marzullo and How to Draw Comics . NET on Youtube and this video by page Page One Comics https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxNe6jqiTDk (it’s a long video - he starts rendering anatomy around 27 minutes in) I hope this will be of some help!
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H H
This is incredible! The textures and details are fantastic! I agree that trying to push the fish and figures would be a good idea and maybe making the middle ground/ background less crowded could help with that? But this looks amazing and I’m excited to see the finished piece!
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H H
I’d like to edit my response. A few people pointed out the flaws in what I’d said and I see that I was wrong. The vanishing points would be different distances apart when objects rotate or change orientation. It’s easy to see this when you use a Station Point to find the vanishing points. I hope I haven’t caused too much confusion.
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Lucas Mostyn
Hi Stan, where can I download the pictures you've used?
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H H
3yr
You can find the assignment images under the How to Draw Arm Bones video in the Downloads tab, it should be called Arm Bones Assignment Images.
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Josh mcgrath
Hey I've been trying to add foreshortening to my mannequins but it's just not working out the way I want it too I have been studying perspective for the past few months and I understand that the closer something is to you the larger it seems and that the further it is the smal.er it gets and I understand that forms overlap when foreshortened yet whenever I try it I can't get it right Should I just stop trying and go back once I learn more about other fundamentals or is there something I'm missing if there any videos sites or anything to help learning this easier I would greatly appreciate any and all help
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H H
3yr
A video/ technique that has helped me a lot is this one by Sycra on YouTube : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJWLaDSNBAI. This technique really helps you visualize objects becoming larger as they move closer and it’s explained very well. Foreshortening definitely isn’t easy, but hopefully this will be of some help!
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Al F
I'm having a hard time figuring out whether or not my landmark placements here are correct. I've attached a reference photo, the reference annotated with landmarks, and my attempt at the reference (obviously if the annotation is wrong, then my drawing will be wrong too). I'm focusing on the back mostly here, so really just looking at placement of the acromion process, scapulas, triangular expansion, 7th cervical vertebrae, iliac crest, sacrum (which I think is covered by the model's shorts). Is there any placement here that is incorrect / needs to be shifted?
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H H
3yr
I think to find the teres major, you need to be able to find (or estimate) the scapula as well as its position. I think you did a good job finding the acromion process and the triangular expansion, but I’m not quite sure what the blue diagonal line on the right is supposed to represent (if the blue triangle is supposed to represent the scapula, it’s a bit big to be a scapula. Size changes from person to person but usually the scapula length is about half the length of the rib cage). The orange mass appears mostly to be the serratus anterior, which I’m pretty sure would be flexed in this position. I tried to find the right scapula using the perspective of the left one and measuring it using the length of the rib cage. I’m not sure it’s completely right tho, maybe someone will correct me. I hope some of this will be of some help!
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@mikeyschwarzenagger
hello, i dont totally khow if im doing some problem, can i please get the good and the bad, and tell what i should do,
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H H
3yr
They look good! I would say try being more confident with your lines (easier said than done I realize) to make things look a bit cleaner. I would also recommend, for this lesson, try to do more drawings where you ignore the limbs and just draw the torso, exaggerating its gesture. This will help you better understand the movement of the torso. Your robo bean doesn’t need to be exactly like Stan’s, as long as they explain or show the same idea (the twisting, stretching and squashing of the torso) you’re on the right path. Otherwise, you seem to have a great understanding of the structure; it’s easy to see which way the boxes are facing and how they’re tilting! Hope this helps!
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H H
I’m pretty sure the distance between vanishing points should always stay the same. There’s a gif on Draw a Box that explains this https://drawabox.com/lesson/1/17/rotation (it’s a rotating box, where you can see the vanishing points moving with the box). I think the distance needs to remain the same or else it would be like using different camera lenses. For example, if you take a picture using a wider lens (the objects look more distorted), take a picture using a long lens and try to put them together, it’s very obvious there not part of the same picture (moderndayjames explains lenses briefly in one of his videos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XF5YuAK63I , about 4 minutes into the video). I tried to illustrate this using your example number 2, but more extreme. In my example, the green boxes look like they could be in the same scene and the blue boxes look like they could be in a different scene together. But together, the green and blue boxes have very different levels of distortions (because the vanishing points are not the same distance apart) so they don’t work together and make things look weird. Basically the lens stays the same, so the distance between the vanishing points stay the same. Hope this will be of some help! (ps I’m not sure if this is the best way to explain it, or if my explanation is 100% correct, but I’ve heard a lot of people who have much more experience talk about how the distance between vanishing points stays the same in a scene)
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H H
3yr
I may have misunderstood you’re question. Were you talking about the length of the diagonals you extend towards the vanishing points or the distance between vanishing points when rotating forms in perpective?Sorry if I misinterpreted the question
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@lobster
hi there, i bought this course, but i was under the impression there were going to get individual downloadable images to practice? or do we just practice off of the ones proko is doing?
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H H
3yr
You can practice off of the one Stan did (I think most people do it to better understand the assignment). The course doesn’t include reference images, but there are model packs you can purchase from Proko. If you’re looking for some timed figure drawing references online, I found that line of action (https://line-of-action.com/practice-tools/figure-drawing) and quickposes (https://quickposes.com/en) are good ressources.
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@christiandenosta
hello, I have to be honest, I really want to learn the anatomy of the human body and buy the premium course but I do not have enough money,.. I want to ask some favor, I just want to see the front, back, sideview of this robo skelly...
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H H
3yr
Hey, there is an app called the Skelly - poseable anatomy model for artists app (which is much cheaper) where you can move around and pose Skelly and Robo Skelly. Let me know if the pictures work. Hope this helps!
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H H
You mesure the cone of vision from the station point. A 60 degree cone of vision is a 60 degree angle (30 degrees on each side) that you extend to the horizon line. Using the center vanishing point (CVP) draw a circle which will be your cone of vision. I drew an example of a 60 degree cone of vision, but it’s basically the same thing for a 90 degree one (it’s just a 90 degree from the station point, 45 degrees on each side). Hope this helps!
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Attila B
Hello everyone. Thanks for a bit of feedback. I know these are not great, but they are very first attempts. Trying to seek feedback early during practice to avoid getting used to mistakes.
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H H
3yr
I think the biggest thing you’re missing is proportions. Not just of the overall body, but of each individual part of the body and their forms (ex. the third image, the leg is incredibly long and narrow). Proportion is talked about in a later lesson (and is a difficult thing to master in general), but I think paying attention to size relations throughout the body, while simplifying the forms, could be a beneficial thing to start to train your eye to see. I would also recommend trying to use more structural forms (make them less organic). If you take a look at Stan’s examples, you can see he uses mostly basic forms. Sometimes they’re bending or twisting, but they still make the figure look stable and structured. I suggest you take a look at the lesson notes, they tend to be of great help and they break down the most important information. Hope this helps! ps. I really like your mindset of posting your work for advice early to minimize bad habits, it’s a really smart idea!
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Luke Ng
Redid some assignment studies. Looking for feedback
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H H
3yr
Excellent job! I really admire your dedication!
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Brenden Chianese
Hello everyone! Been working on gesture for the past couple of weeks. Below are some two minute poses I did today. Was hoping I could get some feedback. I'm starting to feel like I'm getting an idea about the flow of the body but at the same time I feel like I'm missing something. I'm not sure what. I'm hoping another pair of eyes could see the mistakes I'm making. What I have noticed is that I have a hard time exaggerating the body, and that I also struggle with arms/legs as well. Any advice and criticism is welcome!
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H H
3yr
I think you did a great job! You can really feel the flow in each pose! The only thing I have to say is maybe worry less about the contours and try to simplify everything to its gesture (especially the legs, don’t pay too much attention to the contours of the quads and calves). But honestly you’ve done an amazing job here!
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Luke Ng
Here's my assignment studies. Feedback and critiques would be greatly appreciated!
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H H
3yr
I think you’ve absolutely nailed the structure for both your shoulder bones and the rib cage! The one thing I noticed is that the scapulae look too small. Obviously proportions change from person to person but usually Stan’s unit of measurement is (for the length top to bottom) one cranial unit and it’s a little under half the length of the rib cage. Yours seem to be almost a third of the length of the rib cage. For reference, he talks about the proportions of the scapula 6 minutes into the critique video of the shoulder bones. Otherwise, great job on the structure and perspective!
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mameko
Anyone knows how to draw oval ? any tutorial recomendation ?
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H H
3yr
If you go to the critique video for this lesson Stan talks about how to draw the top cap (since they’re in the same perspective, the bottom cap) of the bucket. He talks about it in the first critique he gives, so you don’t have to look far.
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Johan Kurniawan
I tried to do the exercise but I'm having trouble even at finding the bony landmarks, a lot of uncertainty as I'm doing this one. I hope someone can point out my mistakes because I'm not even sure myself where are the mistakes even after looking back at the video lessons and the 3D model
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H H
3yr
Usually when I’m trying to find the scapula I follow the acromion process and then I try to find the infraspinatus, or rather the dent it creates next to the trapezius. I think you did a good job at finding it in these studies! Though sometimes it looks like it’s too close to the rib cage (especially in the last drawing, I think it may be because they’re pointing inward too much). The main mistake I found is that the teres major is too large, which is making the infraspinatus look too small. Proportions do change from person to person, but it seems more like you haven’t completely understood its function or form (I’m mostly referring the the first drawing). Since it’s main functions are to help bring the arm down towards the body and extend it to bring the elbow back, it is extended when the arms are raised. The infraspinatus laterally rotates the arm, so it’s usually flexed when the arms are raised. In the first image, the teres major is being stretched, so it should have a shape similar to the right one in your last drawing. If you check out the eBook, the teres major has a shape more like a cylinder whereas the infraspinatus is more flat and wide. I think because the shoulder muscles don’t all flex at the same time, it’s important to understand their individual functions and shapes. The eBook is very helpful, I strongly recommend you take a look. Hope this will be of some help!
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H H
These are quite nice! I would recommend trying to push your beans further in terms of gesture so you can really feel the twisting, the pulling and the squishing (maybe something that can help with this is drawing a line of action). I would also suggest making your beans “tighter” in a sense. They feel floppy, kinda like they represent something other than the movement of the torso. Something I think could help with this is using more spherical forms and really emphasizing the stretch and squash of the bean. Another thing that can help is drawing Stan’s drawing if the bean from his video(s) to help you get familiar with the bean’s movement (it would also help you get mileage and it gives you the assurance your doing thing properly as you follow along) Otherwise, I really like your gestures, especially how you simplify the hands! And for your question, usually Stan recommends practicing each lesson for a week or two and making sure you understand each concept before moving on. Hope this helps!
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