Bean Examples – Tilt, Lean, Twist and Foreshortening
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After 2 years I have returned to this exercise. Working on these beans again, I am reminded how deceptively difficult it is to execute a good bean. Several nuanced issues are being solved with relatively few lines. This is great in terms of line economy, which is very important in gesture, but also requires more comprehension of underlying concepts to execute properly. As you can see in the attachments, I am by no means a master of this exercise. I have studied the figure a decent amount over the past couple of years, and it was always so demotivating to struggle so much with this simple concept. I regret to say I have avoided working on this problem. It made me feel like I had studied the wrong material all this time, and I can't help but think not understanding this concept holds my figures back a decent amount, especially my quick sketch. So what I'm going to do now is use this comment section here to think through my issue step by step, and marry things I do know with the concept I am trying to learn. This is bound to get very specific and detailed, but I just need the space to think. This will mostly be noted for myself, so if these ideas don't apply to how you approach things feel free to ignore them.
With that being said let's get into it...
I believe the main factor that complicates things, especially as I compare my beans to the ones Stan's did in this demo, is overlap, Understanding all the factors dynamically influencing the overlap between the two volumes seems to be key. Let's first look at this problem in its most simple form.
Looking at the figure from above, the ribcage should necessarily overlap the pelvic form. Consequently, when looking from below, the pelvis is now on top.
While this is true it only applies under high degrees of foreshortening becoming harder to apply with twists in the forms. So I'm going think through this issue in a Logical step-by-step manner.
Lets first abstract and box out the bean into its 2-D graphic shape, ignoring twist for the moment (I'll include an example below). If this is done correctly, a single pinch, and consequently, an overlap becomes clear(excluding twists that operate by slightly different rules, which is explained later). This is why twists are so hard, at least for me. I get bogged down with visualizing the overall movement and turning of the two forms to each other, it slows me down and increases the chance I will miss the primary tension in the overall shape. My theory right now is for every bean, I need to solve the Primary pinch first before I even tackle the center line. This sounds obvious as I say it but I find this has a lot more practical use when considering the twisting forms of the bean, which I seem to struggle with the most. First, you solve the Primary pinch as described, and decide which side carries the most tension. In simple terms, decide whether the bean is crunching on its left or right. After this is done, tackle the center line. Decide whether it's an S, C, or if it crosses over both sides.
Easier said than done of course, but I think I may have found a trick to avoid confusing myself when doing this. I just need to look at each form individually(pelvis and ribcage) and ascribe a sub-centerline for each in isolation. This may even be the best time to decide to exaggerate as it is still relatively early and it's simple to rotate one form at a time, rather than two at once. After I have done so I can combine the two into a larger more descriptive centerline. I think this method might help identify subtle twists, even double C pinches. If it is a twist go to the side that has been identified as the primary pinch, and on that side, identify the corner that is retreating away from the camera, its contour is on top of the same side edge. If the center line is an S repeat the same concept on the diagonally opposite corner, producing the secondary crease. It is important to note that if the S curve isn't very extreme the secondary overlap will either be very subtle, maybe to the point of being invisible and its only trace is a slight concave in the contour.
Okay, I think this is a solid starting point. Next is to go through the tilt, twist, and foreshortening videos, and see how well this ethos applies. Hopefully, I can type out my updated thoughts in a day or two.
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For these I first made attempts in black, then checked the demo example and tried again in blue.
Hey, I have a question. I often have an hard time finding out how to draw the lines "inside" the bean. Here, for instance, I drew the "torso" line from the upper right to the middle center, because it's the line I see in the reference (from the neck, between the chest, to the middle of the hips. But Proko did the opposite way, and I don't understand why. How to explain that?
I think it'll help you to think of the line going -around- the bean, on the -outside-. That'll also give it some volume which should help you see more 3D. At least that's how I've understood it. :-)
Regarding the center line, I would have drawn it in between yours and the demo. I think Proko did the curvature right but over exaggerated the position - which misses the twist a bit. So I would draw the centerline nearer to yours but for the torso a curvature to the right. Yours feels a bit like a concave chest. Does this help? And keep in mind, it's a bean after all - there is probably no ground truth but it's always a bit up for interpretation - is my take anyway.
Done alongside this video using a charcoal pencil. I find the charcoal helps me to be more commital with my lines which is something I'm working on.
Probably one of the hardest exercises I’ve done. It’s hard to get them nice like Stan does it especially doing these while learning the overhand for about a week now.
so I apologize if my lines are shaky it’s cause I’m learning the overhand grip.
any feedback is welcome please 🙏🏻
Here's my first try at the bean. It felt so comfortable not having the pressure of a clock ticking down like in my gesture sessions.
I paused the video on each picture and made an attempt before seeing the correct method. I got it wrong most of the time but took notes each time I got something wrong to try and understand how to improve and put the correct bean next to it.
These are my first beans, I try to practice every time I have a moment to take my iPad or paper and pencil, and I’m stuck on those two lessons cuz I feel like I can’t go further until I get them right…
Here some beans I made over the last couple days, first set was done by myself (unfortunately I didn't have a lot of time to do more, but I'll do that now to warm up) and the last two images were done following this video. I definitely feel like I have difficulty identifying twists in the body, so that's something I'll work on, but is there anything else that I could improve on?
After 2 years I have returned to this exercise. Working on these beans again, I am reminded how deceptively difficult it is to execute a good bean. Several nuanced issues are being solved with relatively few lines. This is great in terms of line economy, which is very important in gesture, but also requires more comprehension of underlying concepts to execute properly. As you can see in the attachments, I am by no means a master of this exercise. I have studied the figure a decent amount over the past couple of years, and it was always so demotivating to struggle so much with this simple concept. I regret to say I have avoided working on this problem. It made me feel like I had studied the wrong material all this time, and I can't help but think not understanding this concept holds my figures back a decent amount, especially my quick sketch. So what I'm going to do now is use this comment section here to think through my issue step by step, and marry things I do know with the concept I am trying to learn. This is bound to get very specific and detailed, but I just need the space to think. This will mostly be noted for myself, so if these ideas don't apply to how you approach things feel free to ignore them.
With that being said let's get into it...
I believe the main factor that complicates things, especially as I compare my beans to the ones Stan's did in this demo, is overlap, Understanding all the factors dynamically influencing the overlap between the two volumes seems to be key. Let's first look at this problem in its most simple form.
Looking at the figure from above, the ribcage should necessarily overlap the pelvic form. Consequently, when looking from below, the pelvis is now on top.
While this is true it only applies under high degrees of foreshortening becoming harder to apply with twists in the forms. So I'm going think through this issue in a Logical step-by-step manner.
Lets first abstract and box out the bean into its 2-D graphic shape, ignoring twist for the moment (I'll include an example below). If this is done correctly, a single pinch, and consequently, an overlap becomes clear(excluding twists that operate by slightly different rules, which is explained later). This is why twists are so hard, at least for me. I get bogged down with visualizing the overall movement and turning of the two forms to each other, it slows me down and increases the chance I will miss the primary tension in the overall shape. My theory right now is for every bean, I need to solve the Primary pinch first before I even tackle the center line. This sounds obvious as I say it but I find this has a lot more practical use when considering the twisting forms of the bean, which I seem to struggle with the most. First, you solve the Primary pinch as described, and decide which side carries the most tension. In simple terms, decide whether the bean is crunching on its left or right. After this is done, tackle the center line. Decide whether it's an S, C, or if it crosses over both sides.
Easier said than done of course, but I think I may have found a trick to avoid confusing myself when doing this. I just need to look at each form individually(pelvis and ribcage) and ascribe a sub-centerline for each in isolation. This may even be the best time to decide to exaggerate as it is still relatively early and it's simple to rotate one form at a time, rather than two at once. After I have done so I can combine the two into a larger more descriptive centerline. I think this method might help identify subtle twists, even double C pinches. If it is a twist go to the side that has been identified as the primary pinch, and on that side, identify the corner that is retreating away from the camera, its contour is on top of the same side edge. If the center line is an S repeat the same concept on the diagonally opposite corner, producing the secondary crease. It is important to note that if the S curve isn't very extreme the secondary overlap will either be very subtle, maybe to the point of being invisible and its only trace is a slight concave in the contour.
Okay, I think this is a solid starting point. Next is to go through the tilt, twist, and foreshortening videos, and see how well this ethos applies. Hopefully, I can type out my updated thoughts in a day or two.
These are my attempt after watching the demo and after looking at the critics.
After receiving a feedback from the community (thanks again) I tried to do 50 more while focusing on the angles of my centreline and cross contour (I.e., to ensure that the bean actually looks like a “round” form).
Any comments or feedback welcome. In the meantime, onto the next lesson !
All my beans, they don’t look super great. Will refine after seeing other posts and further proko demonstration.
Here are the draw-alongs I've done related to this lesson.
I had to split them between two days, so 2 different sessions.
It's pretty cool to see the evolution through iteration.
These are my attempt after watching the demo and before looking at the critics.
For some of them, I tried variations of different poses to try to nail it down and understand what was happening (with various levels of success lol ).
I now know I need to focus on cleaning my lines, taking a bit more time to analyse the pose before placing my shapes to avoid trying to find them on the paper. I will also try to exaggerate the poses a bit. In the meantime, any comments or feedback welcome :)
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Nice work @DrawYer! That's a ton o' beans! One thing to keep in mind with your centerline and cross contours is the curve is most dramatic where the cross contour line meets the edge of your form and starts to disappear to the other side. It should feel like it curves around the form like a rubber band tightly hugging the surface, so be sure to continue your cross contours all the way to the edges of your form, and try to feel the wrap of the line around to the other side. It helps to draw through and ghost the back side of the ellipse so it feels like the contour has volume. Your cross contours and centerlines appear to just meet the edges either at a sharp flat angle, or not at all, so it doesn't feel like the contour is describing a rounded object, more of a flattened pinched bean. Stan covers this in the most recent drawing basics episode on Cross Contour, give it a watch! Keep up the good work!
https://www.proko.com/course-lesson/how-to-draw-cross-contour-on-3d-forms/discussions
the last three pages are from the proko videos. occasional confusion with the twists. feedback welcomed and appreciated!
These are great, Dave! In addition to getting the bean concept down, your line quality is really nice.
