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whoaa so cool! congrats to Stan and the Proko team <3 you really deserve this kind of approval for all your educational accomplishments over these past years!!
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@fefelix
Helloo everyone i did some hands. like as a pre-exercise for the bones assignment. what do you think in terms of gesture/ readability/ proportion?
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@stergios_biternas
Hi, I'm not an 2D artist or painter (sculptor) but these anatomy videos from proko have been my absolute favorite. Would going through this course benefit me as well? I really like the information but I'm not sure on how to translate the assignments from something done on paper to something done with clay?
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@fefelix
I think doing the assignments on paper will nurture your sculpting skills, too. The entire course is all about learning, remembering and replicating specific 3d forms. There are assignments later on in the course that feature more detailed rendering in drawing - for those ones it would sure be best trying to sculpt the subject instead of drawing it - but all the assignments that only involve sketches and getting to know the forms are just as valuable for a sculptor as they are for any 2d artist. While there won't be any advice on sculpting in general, following the lessons and assignments as they are will provide you with all the tools needed to succesfully sculpting the human figure and all its anatomy.
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@burningbryce
Hi guys, just finished a study. Couldn’t find the original reference, sorry. Tear it apart, criticize all you want, it would be appreciated.
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@fefelix
Hi there! I think you did a good job on the structural, mannequinization part :) The underlying simple forms you used to express the anatomy are readable and solid in most places. Only area that to me looks like you didnt really think about constructing it three-dimensionally is her left thigh. The overall form of the upper leg isnt clear anymore, instead you have two complex organic forms that arent easy to comprehend. Maybe try showing the anterior and lateral planes of the upper leg's box a little better with your cross contour lines. The plane change should be visible. Right now, it looks like youre using the s-curve between rec. femoris and add.s as plane change, which doesnt make sense (try imagining a shaded version of this form: it wouldnt look real). All other critique I have for this drawing is regarding line quality and proportion: Especially in the hips the individual forms are hard to read. I think you did construct them well enough, but because of all your cross-contour and x-ray lines having the same strength as the lines seperating the forms the latter are harder to find. You designed the lower legs and esp. the ankles to be unnaturally thin. If thats what youre going for, take heed that both lower legs have the same proportions. Her left lower leg feels a little thinner even than the right. Maybe that's just because the medial portion of that leg's gastrocnemius is too small/ ends too high. Her right leg is about 1 cu longer in your drawing than her left. For me at least it looks like that because I feel that her right toes are touching the ground which would mean that both legs have the same distance to the viewer. Of all of these points there werent really any major complaints, I think youve made a structurally and anatomically solid drawing. Maybe youll find it helpful to re-do this exercise sometimes while thinking of even simpler forms and then adding anatomy "on top". Thats always a good idea, anyway. Have fun drawing and until next time!
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Emily Weigold
For this lean and twist example, the first tutorial video draws the overlapping lines in a certain direction from this reference - yet later in the twist assignment examples video, we're asked to spot what is wrong and are told the lines should overlap in the other direction - I'm confused as to which of these we should follow
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@fefelix
Theres another way to think of these overlaps thats mentioned in the robo-bean lesson: If, instead of the two ovals of the bean, you think of two boxes youll find that the overlapping line is created by a side plane twisting its way into visibility from behind a front plane. Its difficult to explain, but maybe try taking a look at the robo-bean lesson, you might find it revelatory! With this explanation in mind, I think both drawings are correct in a way :D The overlap suggested in the pencil drawing is actually the one that can be observed on the model aswell! Kind of. We can see the right side of her torso, and the upper overlapping line is in line with this observation. However, whats right for the actual pose, cannot be applied to the bean in this case. This is due to the bean's twist being so exaggerated that, actually, the left side of its torso-oval is visible and not the right. Its centerline forming an S-shape is an indication of that. Note how the model's spine in the pose is actually forming a C-curve. Now, this doesn't mean the bean is all wrong and should feature a C-centerline instead - its definitely a good thing they put so much exaggeration in there in order to really feel that twist. But abandoning the reference also means that you have to stay true to the logic of your own drawing instead. Hope this provided additional help :) see ya and have fun drawing
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@whisperwyrm
My first set of gestures, all about 30 seconds-1 minute. I had several other pages but this one was the first one where I felt like I was getting somewhere. I'm also using a dip pen, so I can learn how to have more control with that medium. Much harder than I thought it would be. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.
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@fefelix
Hi there! These are definitely getting somewhere :) It's impressive to see that your drawings are already quite accurate in proportion! There's two pieces of advice I can give you which might be of use: 1. Try making "confident" marks/ lines. This means, start with one line of action for the entire pose. Even if it doesn't align at all with specific body parts! E. g. the LoA for the pose in the top right hand corner would be a big C-curve symbolizing the flow of the torso into the legs. It's not about getting correct results in 30s, it's about literally feeling the pose and the way its energy is translated in drawing. If I were to make a gesture drawing of that pose, I'd glance at it very shortly and my first impression would be: "Whoa, energy flowing in a curve." Then I'd immediately draw this curve based on that very instinctive/emotional first impression. After you did a line of action, apply the same mindset to the secondary aspects of the pose, meaning one gestural line each for shoulders and pelvis, 1-2 lines each for arms and legs. This way, you'll get a purely gestural "spaghetti figure", without any informtion about shape/ weight/ contour and all that distracting stuff that one can focus on afterwards. 2. When you are feeling comfortable with the gestural stick figure, I'd recommend simplifying the gestural shape of the torso into a flexible rectangle and later, to add some form, into "the bean" which is dealt with in one of the following lessons. In your gesture drawings it sometimes looks like you didn't have a clear idea of where the torso starts/ends which, I think, is very important for connecting it to the limbs (or the ground plane as well in seated poses). Also, I personally never start with the head bc I think it's the least gestural part of the body, so it doesn't really help me getting a feeling for the movement in the pose. Btw, that one right upper arm of the stretching model on the bottom right really feels like you felt its gesture while drawing it! Hope you'll find this useful and applicable! Have fun drawing and all the best Felix
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@fefelix
Hi there I've tried something new again :) I'd love to hear your feedback on gesture, line, shape or designed anatomy for these ones!
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Peter Haller
Hi there. About two years ago I started this great course and I never neglected gesture drawing ☺️ Here are some actual ones
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@fefelix
Maan these are soo great!! Congrats on getting this far and on having stayed this disciplined over time! May I ask what's the average time limit for these poses and whether you did these from life or photo reference? Also please keep posting stuff like this these are veery inspiring to everyone here I think :DD Grüße aus München :)
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Nai Rinaket
Hi, this is my latest gesture drawing in real 30 seconds! I've been doing this a whole week and I would be thrilled to hear any critique. Thank you so much!
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@fefelix
i agree with Alessandro :) Only thing there might be to add are gesture lines for the pelvis. Meaning just the angle between the two ASIS similar to the angle between the acromia as you show for the shoulders. It's not always clear to me what the gesture of the pelvis is, even though, I think, it's even more important than the gesture of the shoulders! Other than that you show a clear understanding of the assignment, even getting proportion and shape right for most of these very short poses, so great job! If you haven't already, I recommend taking a closer look into the next lessons. Also, by "in real", do you mean you did these from life? This would be the best way to exercise gesture, so keep it up!! Have fun drawing and all the best Felix
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Alessandro Falchi
My very first try on this exercise. I find it quite useful because I tend to lose myself into the tiny details. Here I tried to retain to communicate the feeling of the pose with the minimum lines I could. Thoughts?
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@fefelix
These are not at all what I'd expect for someone's first try on gesture! It looks like you've already got a sufficient feeling for/ grasp on gesture. It will be useful to look at the following lessons to get some more structure and form in there. But I'd say you've pretty much nailed your first try :D Your approach to this one will probably change after you've had some more epiphanies in the other art fundamentals. Have fun!
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@fefelix
Hi everyone, I tried some 30s poses again, this time my approach was to basically not think at all. What do you think? What are the main aspects you think could be improved here? Thanks to the great community for all the valuable feedback one can get here <3
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@fefelix
Hii everyone! I've tried sth new. For me at least :D 30s poses - from photo ref. :( - w/o using any construction lines/ LoA. So the main question will be: Is this gestural? At all? in your opinion. Pleeease critique this, thanks in advance, oke bye.
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Kay Dezenter
Hello, these are my most recent gestures (4th session). Image 1+2 were part of a 1h session after rewatching the first vid (didn't see the others yet). 3+4 after rewatching the first "Flow Method" video. Now that I look at it I think page 1 is alright, even though I do oversimplify. Page 2 is where it kind of starts falling apart for me. Maybe all of this new info overwhelmed me. I tried to apply "force" without really understanding it. I realized this after rewatching it. I then proceeded to ditch stuff like line of action and other concepts in favor of "force". Bad idea. It visibly decreased my confidence, which shows in my lines. Page 4 was, a bit better maybe? The 5 and 10 minute poses seem to be a bit easier to read, but the 20 min one felt awful to be quite honest. I will move on to the demo tomorrow and keep an eye out for stuff like how Stan does limbs and when to simplify shapes. There is also the issue of not knowing how to combine the concepts of Stan and Mike Mattesi instead of treating both as hard rules with no option to combine them. Well, I've got a lot to learn :) I am looking forward to the feedback. :0 (Btw here are some resources I use for practicing: line-of-action.com quickposes.com)
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@fefelix
Eyy, these are really good in my opinion!! I can definitely relate with your experiences with force drawing vs. gesture, haha. I think in order to be able to apply force to figure drawing you'll basically have to have eaten up anatomy, bc it's all about muscle functions and muscle interactions there. But it seems trying to use force on less complex subjects such as the bean has really helped your understanding of gesture and weight, so maybe try some more forced beans? Anyways, while I love your longer pose studies, in which, I think, you started with simple """stick figure"""" gesture lines (but with dynamic & flexible sticks!!) and the bean everywhere, I personally like to begin any gesture drawing with these steps. Otherwise I'll risk making the figure fall apart, as it sometimes happens in your 30s poses. Sometimes, with the shorter poses, I believe you treated "weight lines" that contain information about volume and mass as gesture lines, which are about direction and energy. Maybe it'll help you to differentiate between these concepts in your mind? You can often imagine body parts, like the forms of the limbs (especially in relaxed poses), like a piece of cloth on a clothesline. On one side you have a gesture line (=clothesline: forceful, active, strong directional force, withstanding gravity, direction of the bone), on the other side some weight lines (=cloth: saggy, heavy, affected only by gravity (applied force), hanging from the "rope", muscles & fat). I've attached an image explaining a similar concept (but with a different focus) that has some good drawing examples. Hope this helped a bit! Have fun and keep up the very good work!!
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Crimson The Vixen
5/10/ 2022. First Day back into the swing of things. Gonna need some tips for my quick gesture drawings.
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@fefelix
I agree, these are pretty neat. Good idea studying Stan's work. I think your understanding of gesture drawing would really benefit from studying the concept of the bean. And then mannequinization. And then anatomy. And then see how you will have developed. Have fun!
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@fefelix
Hi everyone! I've been practicing gesture for a while now and wanted to ask you what you think of these. Sometimes the poses are still falling apart and sometimes the gesture isn't quite there yet. But in general, would you say, these lines convey a sense of gesture and/or weight? What do you think could definitely be improved? What has helped you to understand gesture drawing better (beyond just doing gesture drawing and learning anatomy/ perspective and stuff)? Looking forward to your comments/critiques! Thanks in advance.
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Dirtynka Reee
Hello, i am new here :) Started to watch this course yesterday and trying to practice simple gestures. I am still bit new into learning how to draw i have around month behind me with tablet, before i never focused on how to draw properly, i just copied pictures i liked. Now i am trying to learn how to stand on my own feets in art. This is my work from today, i will be glad to hear some feedbacks. I put 2 minutes limit on each gesture.
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@fefelix
Hi there Dirtynka and welcome to your art journey :) I'll leave a few bits of advice that have helped me when starting to learn art: -"art" as a craft describes a complex set of skills, all of which being used simultaneously by an artist when drawing. Following this figure drawing course as a beginner, I got very frustrated: At some point while focusing on gesture drawing only and not even knowing what other drawing basics there are to learn, my learning curve reached its limit and I didn't know why. -> It is a good idea practicing gesture drawing for some time but then also, one by one, introducing yourself to the other fundamental concepts of drawing. Those basics are all (?) tackled in this free online course: https://drawabox.com/lesson/1 if you are interested. If, as a beginner, you try to work on all these different topics alternatingly, you'll unlock new levels in each field much faster, because they all influence each other! -As for gesture drawing itself, I recommend trying out this exercise first: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bw3BW4Q6VM&list=PLXkHosWORUv6bxfPGz31WESqw_87adQ5r&index=2 In the video they focus on gesture only in a very exact and easy to understand way. Stan's gesture drawings always contain knowledge of topics that go beyond gesture, such as perspective and anatomy. -Also, on a minor note, changing your drawing media from time to time can be a good idea to stimulate your synapses and steepen your learning curve. I found that for me, drawing digitally provided some limitations in my development. But for a beginner, drawing digitally can be a good idea that takes away some complexity. The most important piece of advice is of course to enjoy the process, not to stress yourself and to take your time! Always keep in mind what drove you to start learning art in the first place and use this thought as a means to boost your stamina while studying! Have fun drawing and all the best Felix
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@fefelix
Also I made more sketches trying to invent gestural and slightly exaggerated poses. Critiques, pleease! :) Any comments/corrections on readability, proportions, gesture and shading are highly appreciated.
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@fefelix
While I did have a lot of fun doing this, I think the proportions are a bit screwed, right? I tried some forced perspective- foreshortening thing, but, imo, the 2 distal phalanges of the index finger are too big nevertheless? And the thumb's still too small? Highly appreciate your feedback on that matter!
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Alexis Riviere
I'm unsure about the right arm. I feel like the humerus is too short, somehow, but that might also be the foreshortening messing with my brain.
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@fefelix
Yes, I think that's the case, too :D For realistic foreshortening, perspective must be applied to the forms! Objects that are farther away from the viewer should appear smaller in comparison to closer objects. For this right humerus, it means that the ellipse at the distal end of the humerus's body should be larger than the ellipse at the proximal end. Constructing the humeral cylinder with a foreshortened box, like the one you correctly constructed for the right hand, can help here. Hope this helps! Have fun studying and keep up the clean linework!
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@fefelix
Hey everyone! I added the pec. maior in blue, I hope that's not too distracting :i Anyways, looking forward to your feedback on (breast) anatomy, readability and gesture!
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