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whoaa so cool! congrats to Stan and the Proko team <3 you really deserve this kind of approval for all your educational accomplishments over these past years!!
@fefelix
Helloo everyone i did some hands. like as a pre-exercise for the bones assignment. what do you think in terms of gesture/ readability/ proportion?
@jhp
7mo
Bro wth is this
@stergios_biternas
Hi, I'm not an 2D artist or painter (sculptor) but these anatomy videos from proko have been my absolute favorite. Would going through this course benefit me as well? I really like the information but I'm not sure on how to translate the assignments from something done on paper to something done with clay?
@fefelix
2yr
I think doing the assignments on paper will nurture your sculpting skills, too. The entire course is all about learning, remembering and replicating specific 3d forms. There are assignments later on in the course that feature more detailed rendering in drawing - for those ones it would sure be best trying to sculpt the subject instead of drawing it - but all the assignments that only involve sketches and getting to know the forms are just as valuable for a sculptor as they are for any 2d artist. While there won't be any advice on sculpting in general, following the lessons and assignments as they are will provide you with all the tools needed to succesfully sculpting the human figure and all its anatomy.
@burningbryce
Hi guys, just finished a study. Couldn’t find the original reference, sorry. Tear it apart, criticize all you want, it would be appreciated.
@fefelix
2yr
Hi there! I think you did a good job on the structural, mannequinization part :) The underlying simple forms you used to express the anatomy are readable and solid in most places. Only area that to me looks like you didnt really think about constructing it three-dimensionally is her left thigh. The overall form of the upper leg isnt clear anymore, instead you have two complex organic forms that arent easy to comprehend. Maybe try showing the anterior and lateral planes of the upper leg's box a little better with your cross contour lines. The plane change should be visible. Right now, it looks like youre using the s-curve between rec. femoris and add.s as plane change, which doesnt make sense (try imagining a shaded version of this form: it wouldnt look real). All other critique I have for this drawing is regarding line quality and proportion: Especially in the hips the individual forms are hard to read. I think you did construct them well enough, but because of all your cross-contour and x-ray lines having the same strength as the lines seperating the forms the latter are harder to find. You designed the lower legs and esp. the ankles to be unnaturally thin. If thats what youre going for, take heed that both lower legs have the same proportions. Her left lower leg feels a little thinner even than the right. Maybe that's just because the medial portion of that leg's gastrocnemius is too small/ ends too high. Her right leg is about 1 cu longer in your drawing than her left. For me at least it looks like that because I feel that her right toes are touching the ground which would mean that both legs have the same distance to the viewer. Of all of these points there werent really any major complaints, I think youve made a structurally and anatomically solid drawing. Maybe youll find it helpful to re-do this exercise sometimes while thinking of even simpler forms and then adding anatomy "on top". Thats always a good idea, anyway. Have fun drawing and until next time!
Emily Weigold
For this lean and twist example, the first tutorial video draws the overlapping lines in a certain direction from this reference - yet later in the twist assignment examples video, we're asked to spot what is wrong and are told the lines should overlap in the other direction - I'm confused as to which of these we should follow
@fefelix
2yr
Theres another way to think of these overlaps thats mentioned in the robo-bean lesson: If, instead of the two ovals of the bean, you think of two boxes youll find that the overlapping line is created by a side plane twisting its way into visibility from behind a front plane. Its difficult to explain, but maybe try taking a look at the robo-bean lesson, you might find it revelatory! With this explanation in mind, I think both drawings are correct in a way :D The overlap suggested in the pencil drawing is actually the one that can be observed on the model aswell! Kind of. We can see the right side of her torso, and the upper overlapping line is in line with this observation. However, whats right for the actual pose, cannot be applied to the bean in this case. This is due to the bean's twist being so exaggerated that, actually, the left side of its torso-oval is visible and not the right. Its centerline forming an S-shape is an indication of that. Note how the model's spine in the pose is actually forming a C-curve. Now, this doesn't mean the bean is all wrong and should feature a C-centerline instead - its definitely a good thing they put so much exaggeration in there in order to really feel that twist. But abandoning the reference also means that you have to stay true to the logic of your own drawing instead. Hope this provided additional help :) see ya and have fun drawing
@whisperwyrm
My first set of gestures, all about 30 seconds-1 minute. I had several other pages but this one was the first one where I felt like I was getting somewhere. I'm also using a dip pen, so I can learn how to have more control with that medium. Much harder than I thought it would be. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.
@fefelix
2yr
Hi there! These are definitely getting somewhere :) It's impressive to see that your drawings are already quite accurate in proportion! There's two pieces of advice I can give you which might be of use: 1. Try making "confident" marks/ lines. This means, start with one line of action for the entire pose. Even if it doesn't align at all with specific body parts! E. g. the LoA for the pose in the top right hand corner would be a big C-curve symbolizing the flow of the torso into the legs. It's not about getting correct results in 30s, it's about literally feeling the pose and the way its energy is translated in drawing. If I were to make a gesture drawing of that pose, I'd glance at it very shortly and my first impression would be: "Whoa, energy flowing in a curve." Then I'd immediately draw this curve based on that very instinctive/emotional first impression. After you did a line of action, apply the same mindset to the secondary aspects of the pose, meaning one gestural line each for shoulders and pelvis, 1-2 lines each for arms and legs. This way, you'll get a purely gestural "spaghetti figure", without any informtion about shape/ weight/ contour and all that distracting stuff that one can focus on afterwards. 2. When you are feeling comfortable with the gestural stick figure, I'd recommend simplifying the gestural shape of the torso into a flexible rectangle and later, to add some form, into "the bean" which is dealt with in one of the following lessons. In your gesture drawings it sometimes looks like you didn't have a clear idea of where the torso starts/ends which, I think, is very important for connecting it to the limbs (or the ground plane as well in seated poses). Also, I personally never start with the head bc I think it's the least gestural part of the body, so it doesn't really help me getting a feeling for the movement in the pose. Btw, that one right upper arm of the stretching model on the bottom right really feels like you felt its gesture while drawing it! Hope you'll find this useful and applicable! Have fun drawing and all the best Felix
@fefelix
Hi there I've tried something new again :) I'd love to hear your feedback on gesture, line, shape or designed anatomy for these ones!
Jesper Axelsson
These look really cool! I was recently recommended to think more inside out when doing my gesture drawings; to think more of the flow passing through the body (like water). You might want to try that too. I did a study of one of Michelangelo's drawings, and I noticed how EVERY line and form, was drawn as if it was interacting with a river flowing through the body. I tried to imagine a stream flowing through the body, and when I wanted to draw a form, I thought of that form as a rock being put into a stream of water. The lines I draw travel as the water would travel across the form. The drawing to the right for example, has an interesting waviness, but feels a little wobbly. It might be because the design isn't organized around the big idea of the river. Rather than starting at the contour of the body, you might want to start inside in the middle of the river, then work your way out. Like you're driving a boat across the river. You might appreciate doing a study of one of Michelangelo's drawings. Here's the drawing I did a study off https://i.pinimg.com/originals/21/86/5f/21865fe4ea3811d6cdad9a961d5d5ce3.jpg Hope this helps :) Keep up the good work!
Peter Haller
Hi there. About two years ago I started this great course and I never neglected gesture drawing ☺️ Here are some actual ones
@fefelix
2yr
Maan these are soo great!! Congrats on getting this far and on having stayed this disciplined over time! May I ask what's the average time limit for these poses and whether you did these from life or photo reference? Also please keep posting stuff like this these are veery inspiring to everyone here I think :DD Grüße aus München :)
Nai Rinaket
Hi, this is my latest gesture drawing in real 30 seconds! I've been doing this a whole week and I would be thrilled to hear any critique. Thank you so much!
@fefelix
2yr
i agree with Alessandro :) Only thing there might be to add are gesture lines for the pelvis. Meaning just the angle between the two ASIS similar to the angle between the acromia as you show for the shoulders. It's not always clear to me what the gesture of the pelvis is, even though, I think, it's even more important than the gesture of the shoulders! Other than that you show a clear understanding of the assignment, even getting proportion and shape right for most of these very short poses, so great job! If you haven't already, I recommend taking a closer look into the next lessons. Also, by "in real", do you mean you did these from life? This would be the best way to exercise gesture, so keep it up!! Have fun drawing and all the best Felix
Alessandro Falchi
My very first try on this exercise. I find it quite useful because I tend to lose myself into the tiny details. Here I tried to retain to communicate the feeling of the pose with the minimum lines I could. Thoughts?
@fefelix
2yr
These are not at all what I'd expect for someone's first try on gesture! It looks like you've already got a sufficient feeling for/ grasp on gesture. It will be useful to look at the following lessons to get some more structure and form in there. But I'd say you've pretty much nailed your first try :D Your approach to this one will probably change after you've had some more epiphanies in the other art fundamentals. Have fun!
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