Trusted Critiquers?
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Matthew Manghi
So I'm listening to the podcast on critique and I am thinking about all the bad (and sometimes just plain wrong) critiques I have gotten online. I think when someone is critiquing you, especially in an area you don't know well, it can be hard to know if you are getting good/accurate advice or not. I think this can be especially difficult for beginners. What about a program for tagging "Trusted Critiquers" on Proko so people can feel confident that are receiving good advice? I also think this could help incentivize people to want to learn to, and offer, good critique.
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Ruth Salmun
So, I actually agree with you, the issue with critiques is even if someone is goodwilled their critique could do more harm than good if they know what they're talking about. Also, you need to set a standard on what determines someone actually has the expertise. It's not like finishing a course magically makes you certified in that sense, maybe you lack a foundation, thus the course didn't really make you better at drawing.
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Matthew Manghi
Yeah, I've seen some horrendous "critiques" online, where is is clear the person giving the critique is just way off base, even if they mean well. If it's a discipline you don't know much about you could easily be led astray. E.g. you could say just about anything about watercolor and I would believe it, even if it was completely wrong, simply because I don't know squat about that. This could be very dangerous for beginners.
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John B
@Matthew Manghi it's something we can look at, but it might be hard to implement. Say we give someone that badge who's really good drawing, but is not a good painter and they give a bad critique on painting. Wouldn't you question the validity of that critique and us for giving them that badge? Unfortunately, it's pretty much impossible to avoid getting bad critiques, but we're hoping that the community will steer artists in the right direction when providing feedback. We'll also be opening up a paid program for pro artists at some point that will allow users to get critiques from artists they trust.
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James Mayr
@John B Maybe I'm a little bit late. I find stackoverflow (https://stackoverflow.com) a very good example of a critique rating system. The answers are sorted by number of points. the poster can accept an answer as correct. this answer is listed on top. (although Stackoverflow is a technical site and there are not In every case - like in art - a best answer so the poster have to decide which is the best answer for him) As a person who critique you are motivated to give good critique because that how you earn badges and reputation. And as an asking person your are motivated to post a clear questions with all relevant information provided (that how you earn reputation as well) when you are earning more points on stackoverflow you can do more thinks like downvoting others posts or comment on others posts. Another interesting critique system is implemented in quora (https://medium.com/@billyhalim/quora-a-place-to-make-you-smarter-10929bb6c966, read section a2a) just my thoughts.
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pinkapricorn
@John B What about "Agree" and "Disagree" buttons on all critiques so passerby can rate the critiques they see. I've seen those on other sites where people post stuff they wrote in a foreign language and people come and correct it. It seems to be an attempt at quality control. People that predominantly get "Agree" have a badge that says they are a highly rated answerer.
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Matthew Manghi
Yeah, the discipline thing makes sense, and having a bunch of different badges based on discipline would probably be a mess. I’m mostly thinking back to when I was first starting out and getting a lot of “critique” and not knowing what was good advice or just someone on the internet trying to sound important. I think you learn to discern that stuff, but it can be hard in an online environment for true beginners. Maybe the “ask for help” feature is enough, it’s certainly great right now, I just wonder if it will get overrun when the site goes live? Will the community need to be leaned on more to provide more feedback?
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pinkapricorn
Interesting idea.
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