James Mayr
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Amelie Holland
Here’s my assignment. One of the things I get told often is that my drawings don’t look 3D enough. But it’s really hard to understand and I know it’s hard to explain how to make the drawings look more 3D. I have noticed that my drawings does look flat too. So I would really appreciate it if I could get some feedback on that.
James Mayr
3yr
I don't think that your drawings are looking very flat. the construction looks solid for me. If you want improving your illusion of 3D maybe study rendering (aka how light affect the form, I really like: https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/1933492961/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A3JWKAKR8XB7XF&psc=1), but again. In this drawing the rendering looks fine.
CHARLES DEIGHAN
Back View Assignment. I did mine on the left and then followed along with Stan on the right.
James Mayr
3yr
what I most like about your poses: they are dynamic and not stiff.
Marco Sordi
2021/7/25. Good morning everybody. Here's my first and second attempt for this section's assignment. Thanks for any advice or suggestion. Have a good Sunday.
James Mayr
3yr
the construction looks solid.
James Mayr
I focused on the 3d forms (i took a break from this course and tried to improve my fundamentals- see here: https://www.proko.com/course-lesson/how-to-draw-abs-anatomy/assignments#2J8) - especially I found it hard to design the shadows so that it supports the illusion of 3 dimensionality. what are you guys thinking? all critique and comments are very welcome.
@zahara
Asked for help
The studies I've done, critiques are welcome
James Mayr
3yr
clean and good understanding of 3d space
@bytecraft
Asked for help
Hi again, after the last critique I've been trying to keep up with doing around 10-20 gesture drawings and I tried doing so keeping things a little more simple and trying to push the pose a bit more and be less stiff, here's my drawings I've made today, are these looking a bit better?
James Mayr
3yr
I really like your line of action.
James Mayr
As @Liandro and @Diego Lucia pointed out, i took a break from anatomy drawing and focused on fundamentals like line quality and structural drawing. (see here: https://www.proko.com/course-lesson/how-to-draw-abs-anatomy/assignments#2J8) I has the ability to join a life drawing class this spring (was very good to gain confidence and line commitment) and drew a lot beans and boxes and forms. One Issue I found out: I found it hard to find out which contour line describe the form the best. (lock at the attached example, there are several contour lines but not every line describes the volume equal). Especially when the model is in a 3/4 view its still hard to figure out if I should draw the contour line on the left side or one the right side. I hope that make sense for you. Maybe somebody had this issue as well or can give me tips to overcome this issue. As always all critiques are very welcome.
Liandro
3yr
Hey, @James Mayr! It’s good to hear from you again! It’s awesome that you were able to join a life drawing class. Drawing from life is a whole new way of studying the figure, it puts a lot of our knowledge into context and adds a bunch of new challenges to our practice. It’s usually a lot of fun too. Hope you enjoyed your experience! I believe the difficulty you mentioned and your drawings themselves relate to the same core issue: you might be focusing too much on contours. Sure we use lines to produce our drawings, but, in this type of anatomy study, it’s important that, in our minds, we don’t care too much about the lines themselves, and instead, visualize mostly the 3D forms that they represent. If this is already what you’re trying to do, let me add a new suggestion and we'll see if it helps: instead of naming your marks on the paper as LINES or CONTOURS, try using a more “3D-oriented nomenclature” such as EDGES, CORNERS, BORDERS, SURFACES, PLANES. For example: rather than referring to parts of your drawing as “this line” or “that contour”, think “this corner of the box”, “that edge of the plane”, “this border of the oval” for example. My hypothesis is that using these “3D-related names” might help trigger your brain to “think in 3D” more so than if you use terms such as “line” or “contour”, which are more relative to a 2D kind of representation. In the drawing practice, also remember to build your figure drawings with simple forms (spheres, boxers, cylinders), with that idea of construction and mannequinization in mind. See if you can draw as if you were sculpting. I did a quick sketch over one of your drawings to better illustrate what I mean. The 3D construction doesn’t have to be complicated or involve detailing - it can be just like a wooden mannequin. Then, on top of these basic forms, we could do the anatomical study of the specific muscle group we’re focusing on (in this case, the Rectus Adbominus), and leave all the rest of the body just simplified. Also, one thing to keep in mind when drawing the actual muscles: remember to always track the attachment points (origins and insertions) so you can study the anatomy with more accuracy. I think these would be my main recommendations for you right now. Hope this all makes sense and that it helps you. Let me know in case you need assistance with anything else. Best regards!
James Mayr
I wanted download a hand e book. (tried hand bones, hand muscles 1 &2) It failed with these error message:  This XML file does not appear to have any style information associated with it. The document tree is shown below. <Error> <Code>AccessDenied</Code> <Message>Access denied</Message> </Error>
James Mayr
@Liandro These Excercise was very fun to draw (especially the flunk fat) What are you thinking about?
Liandro
4yr
@James Mayr I like it! Looks like a good batch of studies. Glad they were fun too! I agree with @Tiger Gayle-Walker about the spacing between the ribcage and pelvis. On our own bodies, we can really see the width of our hand fits almost exactly in the space between the ribs and the top of the iliac crest, so that can be a good mental reference for eyeballing that spacing in anatomy studies. Other landmarks might also be pretty useful: for example, the distance from the top of the Manubrim to the bottom of the Sternum (about half of the ribcage length) is the same as the distance from 10th rib to the ASIS and from the ASIS to the bottom of the Pelvis - when in doubt, I always find it helpful to consult a proportion chart (and, personally, I prefer Hale's Human Proportions – Cranial Units for studying anatomy, since it's more about the bones, not just the surface of the body). Also, I notice a few drawing issues similar to what Diego and I pointed out in your other post: in image 8, the centerline of the box should the more toward the left; and perhaps a few of the thoracic muscles (1, 7, 8) might be just a bit too flat, as if the forms could be slightly more volume-y. Again, it's about the fundamentals (construction), not anatomy itself. Also, I understand you're probably aware of it and might even be working it already. So, nothing new! :) Other than that, just keep it up!
Tiger Gayle-Walker
Hey @James Mayr, Nice work! I like the motion on these! A little suggestion, try closing the space between the ribcage and pelvis. It should only be around one hand width apart max (Try putting your own hand between the side of your ribcage an pelvis). To avoid over complicating it, I'd suggest practicing this on the robo-bean until your gotten the spacing down. Keep at it! :]
James Mayr
I rewatched the examples and redid these exercise(because the previous are too flat). The female abs I found more interesting but more challenging as well. What are you thinking about it?
Diego Lucia
Hi @James Mayr! The subject of Anatomy is really cool, and it helps a lot to describe and give more emphasis to the story of your poses. In your drawings, I can see that you are struggling a little with your fundamentals, line quality, and describing volumes, to name a few. Before adding the anatomy, it is crucial to show the basic volumes you are going to place those muscles over. As Glenn Vilppu says, "draw over the surface," but to draw over the surface, you must have a surface. I suggest you draw simple shapes and give them volume. Once that is clear, add the anatomy on top. I think that will help you a lot in your process and speed up your learning curve in learning anatomy! Keep it up! The drawing journey has a lot of lovely traps. Avoiding falling into those traps differentiates how long it will take you to learn any specific topic. I hope this helps!
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