Kevin Rigby
Port Orange, Fl USA
Former professor, pilot, & MTB Racer. 2018 I took up the study of art after a severe head and neck injury. My goal here is fundamentals and critique.
Kevin Rigby
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Attempt 2.
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Shape Simplification Exercise V2 w/ Ref
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I get daily reports of all my
passwords and I got one today that my PW from this site was breached. All my PWs are unique and never reused. It named Proko.com. And it’s def not on my end because I have numerous fail safe’s and use three separate anti virus /malware. Don’t know if it’s related but Proko also processes payments and is most likely an easy target for all sorts of attacks since they are small and this is relatively new.
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Data Breach3yr
FYI: My password for this site showed up in a data breach. It is unique and not used anywhere else. Proko, you need to invest in proper cyber security. Fair warning.
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The perspective look correct, but you seems to lose it when you start drawing organic forms, like the trees.
Think as them as geometrical forms too, construct them as any other part in your draw, then just add details to make them more organic.
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Ah! Thank you. I'm seeing it now. I think it's back to boxes cones and spheres for me for a while.
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Hey there! Nice job! I love your colors, but I think you should try a bit less messy approach, maybe try to use a bigger brush while applying colors. Also, don't be scared of mixing your values, it helps a lot if you start the whole painting with a light blue, or orange wash (depending on the sky color), because it will help unify your colors later, also you won't have random white spots next to your lines.
Lastly, on your second image, there is a corner and it's full of tangents. Even though those things exist in real life, design-wise it's terrible, because it flattens entire planes. To avoid these tangents, you can afford to break the rules a tiny bit and just move the lines away from each other.
Hope I could help! Keep up the good work! :)
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Thanks for the graphic. That made it so easy to see. It's so clear now.
I have learned to lay down a ground since those days (these were some of my early ones, i.e. 2018) on oils and acrylics, but didn't consider it for WC. So basically mask any areas that will be white and put down a ground on the rest?
I also tend to overwork them. I get the colors laid down, and then shore it up with colored pencil, and then work it to death. I do it every single time. Any tips for not working it do death?
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this may be due to lighting/ mood giving the feeling of disconnection with what you may have seen in your imagination. this emotion ive found is often present at the start and if lost i recall it with my eyes closed not logically with the mind if that makes sense. if that does not work ive found that that emotion then is on the other side of the fence of adding lighting that coveys the mood i was going for that i just give a name to i.e dramatic / mysterious / sad .
if you dont mind i can do a slight digital overpaint with some lighting on it.
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For me I find that I lose the expression when I hit a technical wall. When you start out, it's all potential. It feels amazing and exciting to you (but not to anyone else). Then as you work, it becomes real. You realize how bad your art is compared to how you pictured it in your head. A lot of art schools these days say technique doesn't matter, and that it's all about expression. But in my opinion, technique is the vehicle for expression. If you are having trouble expressing yourself, it might be because you lack the visual vocabulary necessary to communicate your intent. So when this happens, I like to ask myself "what weakness does this reveal in my art?" And then I target that weakness with studies and exercises. Then try again, getting better every time
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Excellent points. I think you are correct. I agree 100% on technique. Thanks for your thoughts on this.
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Hi Kevin. The points look a bit too close together. It's causing distortion near the edges of the images, more so on the image of the house. I teach perspective at an animation school and nearly all beginner artists put the vanishing points too close together in 2-point perspective. Doing this creates an effect similar to a very wide angle lens or fish-eye lens. If you put the points farther apart on the horizon line it will look more like how we would see this with our eyes. In effect, the camera is too close to the subject to keep everything in the image in frame without a wide-angle lens. In the example of the house, if the camera were at this distance and used a lens with less distortion, the top of the house and most of the fence area to the side of the house would be out of frame. Moving the vanishing points farther apart effectively recreates what would happen by moving the camera farther from the subject so that a less distorted lens would capture the entire subject in frame.
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Thank you so much! This is so insightful. I never even considered the illusion. I kept looking at the oil rig and thinking "somethings just not right. Something's weird." Well, as I've heard so many times, "if it looks off, then it's off."
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Looks okay, although the carriage looks huge in comparison to the house.
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oh! excellent point. Thank you! The wheels would be as big as the living room if you where to fit it inside the house.
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I think you're doing really well as far as 2-point perspective goes!
The tree in the image with a street and a house I would start by constructing as a cone, that way it's easier to apply perspective to it :))
Correct me if I'm wrong, but you're not doing 3-point, right? You can get some really nice effects with 3-point perspective if you use it moderately
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Thanks. Yeah, two point. I started a 3-point WC last week. That's trip to work with but definitely makes a far more interesting drawing.
Ah, see, the idea of using a cone! click! Thanks Oliver. I think I have to really start thinking of things more and more in terms of those basic shapes.
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Perspective Feedback3yr
These are watercolor mixed medium. Looking for critique on perspective as a fundamental.
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When you get stuck...3yr
So what do you guys do when you get stuck and lose the expression of emotion you had when you started the painting?
Often I will free draw or free paint as pain management. I end up often with stuff like this where I'm fully expressing myself for a couple of days, and then I walk in one day and stare at it for 10 minutes, think about getting the brushes going, but then I just sit there staring. Then maybe I'll see something new and work on it again. Then the painting changes, and I see something else.
But then there comes a point where I love the unfinished painting, but it's NOT finished. It typically happens with acrylics (this was a free painting on black gesso canvas, limited palette). There are probably only 10 layers there now. But I seem to be losing the essence of what I started with. I have a closet full of unfinished works due to loss of emotion in expression. Some oil, but mostly acrylic.
I am myself not mainly searching for portrait and figure drawing courses while at the same time I like the quality of Proko's teaching and also the community.
So these are what my thoughts are. This platform is very new and we all can help build it and grow it by being active. And I think that if we communicate our wishes in a constrtuctive way and if enough people agree it should be likely that more mentors from other fields get invited. Right now the Proko community is about Proko's specialty fields and that is only natural and completely understandable. But in my opinion it can only be in everyones interest when this platform grows into more fields. We just have to give it time, we are just in the state of the launching celebration and there already is a good variaty of courses.
Also for me it is not this platform or the other. I am looking for courses that are useful to me on all platforms.
Have you searched for any content outside of this platform? If you haven't, you could start the course on Https://drawabox.com . It's a great resource for pen control, milage and perspective :))
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Thanks for the link! Yes, I found Pencil Kings, Crilley, and many others, but I liked the quality of Stan's product. Those first Fundamentals Vids are excellent instructional design. It hasn't stopped me, but reviewing the fundamentals is never a bad idea and I had just hoped Stan's team would come through with a full course with exercises like in the two courses I naively bought (his Portrait and Figure Drawing courses) when I first started. Fundamentals should be the very first complete course you see.
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Hi Kevin. I don't know how many drawings you already did, but when you struggle to get a start I highly recomend to visit mark crilleys youtube account. He has wonderful tutorials for people who start with the drawing hobby and his tutorials are not overwhelming. Apart from that I recommend the gesture drawing course. You can adapt gesture to every drawing. The videos from marco bucci on youtube give you a dive in this topic and many other too and build up a good fundament to work with. Hope this helps.
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I started with Mark. And they were extremely useful. I even own four of his books. But he's a one trick pony. Don't get me wrong, I AM drawing and painting in all three mediums for two years now, and gesture is taught all throughout the course I already own. I would just like to work my way through a thorough complete course for beginners. I won't mention the other website that Stan is playing catchup to because I support Proko. But the other guy (Edit: deleted incorrect statement) already has the fundamental courses. I'll just turn there if need be. I've learned through having been a student for many years (as I am the student here) and a professor that the fundamentals MUST be honed and mentored or extremely bad habits form that most of the time can't be undone with the student.
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Hi Kevin,
I've also bougth the Figure drawing course. While it is true that most of Proko's courses revolve around the human figure, i find it surprising that you would consider all of them to be middle/advanced level. Stan teaches us the most basic stuff in the figure drawing course like how to sharpen your pencil, how to hold and control it, the drawing supplies you need, etc... You also get to learn how to draw the most basic forms in perspective. You can apply this knowledge to any type of drawing, not just portrait or human figure. So i would say that there's definitely what you need to build up strong fundamentals.
This is disappointing. I know Stan even admits this is a weakness in several previous podcasts, but there is still NO true drawing basics course for first years. To launch this without true fundamentals, yes I know there are a handful, but there is no true dedication to 'fundamentals'. Everything I look at seems to mostly be around portraiture and figure drawing (which I am one of the beginning dummies who bought those course two years ago not knowing what I didn't know about fundamentals) or character development.
Edit: I just noticed this. Upvoting and down voting is a huge mistake. This makes people compete for replies. And if someone gets pushed down, then for a new student or one that doesn't have self confidence or mentorship they will leave.