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@pedrobranco
Watched the tutorial and wasn't quite sure if I understood this correctly. Want to know if I'm on the right path. Truth be told I've done these box people exercises a few times and drawing the blob is more unintuitive than jumping straight to the box for me. Did I misunderstand the tutorial? Am I entirely wrong? or is it more of a comfort thing? Sorry for the overlapping forms, I rushed this and miscalculated how much space I had.
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@pedrobranco
It's really reassuring to see Stan bolden some line in order to make it look more "correct". I thought that I really shouldn't be doing it as I'm not trying to "sculpt" an image but seeing as I'm not the only one and especially an artist with a lot of experience also draws and struggles with some of these topics does give me some much needed confidence. I've been doing some more ellipse only exercises, looking forward to the next lesson.
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@pedrobranco
Dad, I'm still not clear on the ellipse's axis. I'm assuming we can't just make one up or guess it huh?
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@pedrobranco
Ho man I had fun doing this one but I really rushed it with the tank. I wanted to give it a more complicated perspective and ended up wrestling with the roadwheels geometry for so long. It was definitely fun figuring it out but I'm exhausted. I'll definitely do more cylinders. I really struggle with them, especially when they are so small that I can't use my entire arm. got to draw my favorite tank though.
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@pedrobranco
I was wondering what you where doing when you drew the pinky in the sketch. Literally went "am I crazy? the pinky should be completely covered" XD Didn't think of connecting the thumb with a triangle like Stan did, I'll keep it in mind.
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@pedrobranco
Here's a portrait that I did recently. I'd like to be able to shade much like how Stan does in these demos but I just don't know where to start with the topic. It's a subject that I have a really hard time with. Tell me what you think please. Feedback is very appreciated.
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Here's a side view drawing. I lost the reference sadly.
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@pedrobranco
Here are my submissions. Not nearly as many as I wanted to do. It's a decently fun exercise. Lost the reference for one of the hands but it's just a flat open hand. Recommend doing it to get into the lvl 2 exercise. In hindsight I feel like I went a bit too stuff with some of the hands where I stubbornly held to the idea that my boxes shouldn't curve, a rule that I arbitrarily broke in a few cases. I also just noticed that my no.2 hand lvl 2 is exactly the same situation as lvl 1. I might submit another before the deadline. Have fun everyone.
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Hah, managed to do no2 hand lvl 2. A lazy attempt but I wanted to go practice my rhythms but I just had to submit something, the unfinished feeling suck in the back of my mind.
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I've been a bit stumped as to what to study. This'll be a really cool challenge.
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@lieseldraws
Here's a burning question: Does simply practicing more boxes help you draw them accurately enough? (Like Stan said, I understand we're not aiming for 100% accuracy in free-hand drawing) What if you keep drawing them wrong? I feel like making the same mistakes over and over again won’t lead to improvement. You have to fix your boxes afterwards. For example, vanishing points can't be randomly placed. The horizon line should be perpendicular to the Y axis (Marshall talks about this in the Draftsmen episode on perspective). But the problem is, it’s time-consuming to find those far-off vanishing points to ensure they’re positioned correctly. I feel like it’s unproductive to be correcting every box you draw this way (like the attached photo). Then again, you can’t improve without knowing what’s wrong, right? So how do you practice more efficiently? Anyone with some advice, please help. I'm tired of drawing ugly boxes and spending hours correcting them look convincing.
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@pedrobranco
I started my art journey two years ago with Drawabox. As the name implies, you very quickly move into drawing 3d boxes. In fact the major challenge of the first chapter in that course is to draw 250 boxes in perspective without drawing the vanishing points. After doing the challenge, I was still completely in the dark. I'd gotten better at drawing boxes but they were rarely "correct". This was mainly down to the simple fact that learning how to do this, as with learning anything, requires one to commit to understanding the insights that are given and/or figuring out these insights by oneself. If you can understand "what" you are drawing and its rules, you can draw it. And this sounds like a very stupid thing to just say, I mean it's a given that if you want to learn you need to pay attention, but fact was I'd just done the 250 box challenge 4 times, while reading the articles on the site, and none of the insight was sticking. I had to use a ruler to make something even remotely accurate. The biggest insight that made the gears turn for me was understanding that "things move away from a point and as they move towards it, their form distorts into being smaller". What this means is that if I can identify the closest "object" everything will shrink from there. Couple that insight with the rule that everything converges into a point and my knowledge of what a cube is and I could conclude a few other things such as: - You can find a VP with any two lines in case you need to. - After confirming the general position of the VP you can draw any line that converges towards it. - If you draw two lines that converge to one VP, any 3rd line drawn in between these lines can't have a greater angle than the first two lines. I could go on and it's all very obvious stuff that I wasn't paying attention to. Until I made a conscious effort to really "know" the things that I already knew and had read over a dozen times by this point. Honestly from what you're saying it feels like you're tying way too hard to get them absolutely perfect, which I don't think anyone can do with perfect accuracy. Maybe take a break from boxes or review what you know and draw a few with just your knowledge of drawing a box in 3d and then ask yourself where you went wrong, if you went wrong that is. It also helps to look at a box or cube in real life or in a 3d viewer. Hope this helps.
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Took longer than I wanted but here are the rest of the portraits I said I'd do last week..
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@pedrobranco
Thank you very much for the critique Stan. I've gone and started drawing the entire set again being more mindful of the relations I set on paper. So far I struggle to really get the forehead of the models right, it's the part of the head where I can't come up with a "way to draw it" that's accurate. Apart from that I feel like I still can't render any details properly. If there's anything anyone sees that I should be doing/I'm doing wrong please tell me. I'll be uploading the 10 remaining portraits along the week after I've taken some notes from the lvl2 demo and the critique video.
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2 minutes in, I felt like I had taken the portrait drawing part a bit too seriously and missed the mark of the exercise so I did the lvl 1 assignment again. While I can't say that I'm an eminence at this, it's not a very hard exercise if you know what you're looking for.
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Hey everyone, here are my first 10 submissions for the level 1 and 2 assignment. I will post the rest in a reply as well as more portraits. I'm overall satisfied with my performance though for no. 2, 4, 8 and 10 I feel I missed the mark and will be revisiting them later. Am I doing this right? or am I missing the mark. I feel like I'm doing a bit too much guesswork even though the portraits come out fine if a bit flat. Like in no. 9 I was absolutely sure I had the angles right but then It felt like the eyes weren't aligned right, that's where I feel like I started to see a tilt in the pose? my feet really aren't on solid ground here.
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Here's the rest of my set. Wanted to have these out earlier but I spent the weekend practicing gesture and when I picked the assignment up on Sunday, my performance was all over the place. No. 11-15 look weird but hey that's that. Ill practice portraits some more. As for putting the boxes in perspective. I don't know how well I'm doing to be honest. The portraits are too close for there to be any significant perspective distortion but I may be entirely wrong.
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@pedrobranco
Thank you for your critique Stan. So if I'm understanding this right. You can't make a purely 1-point perspective drawing if you intend to rotate an object or have it at an angle that doesn't connect to the VP?
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Johannes "Hanes" Schiehsl
Thanks for the input Stan! I got the Lazy Nezumi tool after you recommended it in the Level 1 critiques - it is really cool. Concerning my lines: I did use the line tool for the construction and made the majority of the cleanup lines freehand - so lots of line exercise for me.
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@pedrobranco
Hey man, a suggestion I have for you to avoid line clutter is to just use different layers for every object since you're using digital tools. You can organize this however you want but an example would be: Have your VP in one layer, the project you'll be drawing in another layer (let's say it's a rail again), and then you have the lines for the right metal bar in a 3rd line layer, once you're done drawing the right metal bar in your project layer, disable the 3rd line layer so you don't see those lines and do a 4th layer for the left metal bar, 5th for some of the wood planks etc...
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@pedrobranco
Thank you Stan for reviewing my work. I posted more on the lvl 2 section. I've done quite a few perspective exercises in the two years since I started drawing but 1 and 2 point perspective have always been "annoying" for lack of a better word. I often zone out and just start doing lines in other perspectives like how you've seen in this first exercise. I am happy to say however that I've been making more 1 point exercises and have come to enjoy making rooms like these. Though I still struggle with it a bit and my concentration comes and goes, my mind isn't constantly asking me to do something else or getting distracted. 2 point has been the bane of my mental fortitude when it comes to the simple 3 perspectives and I'm looking forward to changing my attitude towards that. I would like to ask though, I seem to have a bit of an issue making longer lines straight, they always curve and making this weird "fish eye" lens effect. I've been practicing lines for a while and it doesn't happen as long as I have a guide line or two points but the moment I don't have these, it becomes a problem. I'd like to avoid using a ruler to frame my drawing. What could I do? Irshad Karim mentions curving the lines on the opposite side to train the arm so I've been doing that. I'll also admit that this may be a bit of a laziness issue since I could slow down while drawing straight lines and get the straight but even then it's not a guarantee and we all know that slowing down while drawing is for nerds >=( Anyway here's something I doodled while warming up.
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@pedrobranco
Does this count for lvl 2? I'll upload some more as the week goes on. I'm slowly warming up to this exercise. But I have to say, making stuff scale is so hard without reference. I'm aware that some of the chairs don't follow consistency as the ones closer to the viewer should always be bigger but by the time I'd notice I decided to just leave them be as I don't know how to properly scale them anyway. Heck the bust was one of the last things I included and that thing's way too big. By the time I drew it I was already aware that my objects weren't consistent in their size. The weird round thing is a poof and the robot man is inspired by Steven Zapata's Box Men exercise in his Beginner exercises course (check it out). This is inspired by my art classroom. Coming up with stuff to fill the room is taxing, not to mention with remembering how stuff that's there in the first place even looks. I refuse to use a ruler to help, am I being stupid? I know it's a tool and it's meant to be used but since I'm still learning it's better for my growth to try and ghost or do stuff by eye right? I can make it easy for myself and use these tools once I'm better is how I see it but do tell me if I'm being silly.
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@pedrobranco
Yeah Stan said not to do ellipses so you know you're gonna have to try them. Did not enjoy myself with this one, had to redo the objects a bunch of times because I put the point outside of the page and lost track of it more than I did for the others. Tried making some plates and jugs but I'm not there yet. More tomorrow, I'm off to draw some people.
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Dad wanted an awkward sink. So now he can do the dishes on the floor. I knew it was coming but man did this remind me. I, for some reason, really dislike doing rooms in perspective. I'm aware that this is basically just shapes inside of shapes but I just don't like doing it, my patience evaporates. I do enjoy powering through an exercise I don't like however so there's that. 4B on copy paper. I'll be posting more of these but likely on the level 2 section. If I'm understanding that exercise right it's "just" this with more complex shapes right?
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I feel like I misunderstood the assignment =( In all seriousness, this was my half assed attempt at doing this perspective exercise. I'm quite proud that I managed to get this far as this was one of the first exercises I faced after starting out. I haven't figured it out yet but I've figured quite a bit already and I feel like I'll have it down within the week. I'll post some actual one point perspective tomorrow!
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Forgot to post but hey batter fashionably late right? one of my boxes was being weird anyway.
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