George Rabbitearl
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Hallo @Proko
Thanks to your fantastic drawing basic course (gesture, rythm) and some years experience of drawing as a hobby I think I understand the gesture phase (see attachments).
But what is comining next? In one of the attachments I added the muscles on top like you didand did and some core shadow drawing (with krita on PC and pen display).
I know that I don't want draw hyperrealisitc or fine art, but the figure should be belivable and should have a good gesture.
I think my goal is something between Illustration and semi realistic and sometimes abstract.
Can't describe it yet excatly.
Man thanks for your course and online youtube videos
Best regards
georgerabbitearl (on Instagram)
6mo
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Hallo.
Hope you are well.
I am drawing as a hobby since some years, and want to get better in figure drawing. Therefore the gesture course of proko comes at the right spot. I tried different gesture drawings methods (force drawing, reilly method, and other found on youtube). This gesture method is the most logical method for me. Although there are templates from proko, he also says you can find your own methode with time. I like this, because it is not so strickt like force or reilley (I know prokos method is based on reilly but it is not so strickt).
Constructive Feedback is welcome :-)
Thanks, George
I am doing gesture drawing the last years, buts this is still the best explained video about it. I find the reilly rythm very complicated, and in this type of gesture drawing the torso part fitts better what you are seeing. Thanks
Constructive criticism is welcome.
Here are my thoughts:
- Snail: Here it was easy just to think in CSI lines.
- Shoes: The first run failed completely because the object was too complex. So I broke it down into simple big shapes, e.g. the upper shoe part cylinder, the lower as simple another simple shape where I draw the cross contour lines drawn This helped me to think in 3D better.
Hi, here is my snail excersice. Like the CSI method :-) Constructive feedback is welcom :-)
1yr
I drew along the video, trying to follow the process for front/side/back poses.
Depending on the pose, it wasn't always clear which line I was intended to draw, so I may have some weird stuff there and there. I need to spend some time studying what each rhythm means, I guess.
George Rabbitearl
1yr
Yes that is the thing with some teaching methods that they are easy to draw (for me) with standard standing poses (contra posta, bending a little bit). But I don't found more information how to apply reilly on more complex methods.
Because I visit regular live classes you can strugle a lot if you don't know how to apply. Than I fall back to sketching messy the figure instead of applying one method if I have only five to ten minutes for a figure.
@Alexis Riviere I think you did the correct way to experiment. But I had the hope that I found more information in this payed course. I will not say that I am disappointed, this is more of a constructive critique for this course. Perhaps @Brian Knox can add also some complex poses (or did I oversee something, than sorry)...
Please don't understand me wrong: I like the reilly rythm and want go beyond the standard poses :-)
1yr
Hallo @Michael Hampton
thank you for the video, the gesture drawing is very well explained.
Regarding torso, I would be interested to know how different this is from the bean torso method? The bean torso method uses two "circles/ellipses" to represent the chest and pelvis in a simplified way. But to me the end result looks similar. Is the only difference that the C curves guide the eye better through the body parts?
Do you offer a course with feedback?
Thanks a lot
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To draw like Loish or Glenn Keane, knowing CSI and the gesture drawings in the figure drawing course is enough "textbook knowledge" you need, IMHO. After that what you need to do is a lot of practices, and master copies of your favorite artists. Post here and people can tell you where the gap is. Slowly narrow the gap and you'll get there.
I see some drawings that you posted. You're on the right track, but you still need more mileage. It's like when a child starts to learn how to write, and he wants to write beautiful script. A teacher taught him how to write script, but he knows he's not there, and he wonders what else he needs to learn. But you know the kind of mature, slowly scripts come from years of writing with deliberate practices.
Hi @Rebecca Shay . Thank you very much for the answer. Attached are a few sample gesture drawings of mine. I am also a fan of Ryan woodward, joshhunterblack. But also the sketchy style of proko in the drawing course. My goal is not to draw photorealistically. Somewhere between gesture/expressive/sketchy/semi realistic. Sometimes in my gesture drawings I feel I draw too clean, I would like to draw more expressive/sketchy/unclean, like in my last drawing a few days ago (face). I'm already more messy than I was a year ago and allow myself to be imprecise at the beginning or to draw from big to small/detail, but it still doesn't quite hit what I want/imagine. What I know is, that I like energetic lines, drawn from should what I learned in force drawing. But force drawing is to formulistic for me. Hope I do not confuse you to much, but I am in a searching process :-)
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As proko suggested I make a version before proko makes the demo. So I make a version before and after the demo. In the demo of the smail I see, that proko makes an envelope and predrawing before the CSI method. This helps a lot. From figure drawing I am used to go directly into CSI.
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Please more of gesture stuff like CSI method1yr
Hi @Proko
Thanks for the drawing basic course. Also I am drawing some years it is good to go back to basic. I took the course ALSO for the CSI method. I like it :-)
https://www.proko.com/course-lesson/project-simplify-to-csi/assignments
Because I like gesture drawing like glenn keane or loish does I hope some gesture drawing course come out (I have the figured drawing course where this chapter is included, but not for the purpose of only gesture figure drawing)
Thanks for your courses.
George aka georgerabbitearl (insta)
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Hi. Thanks for this method. I like gesture drawing. Also I like artists like joish or glenn keen. Gesture figure drawing ist my goal. So here is my attemp- I don't erase the wrong lines. I like also searching lines-
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Here are my attemps with the pear. I make different iterations to learn more of the object details
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Warmup Drawing. Tools: Samsung Tab S8 Ultra, Sketchbook App
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Thank you for the suggestion, that's a great idea for a lesson!
Regarding the industries, I'm not sure it matters. My gesture quicksketch is a combination of Watts, Gist, Reilly, Vilppu, and Loomis!
Vilppu taught primarily for animation. Reilly and Loomis were primarily for illustration. But there's no reason they can't be used for fine art, comics, or concept design.
Thanks Stan. I like your YouTube channel and the Figure Drawing class I took on your homepage. The tools are very helpful.
From my point of view there should be several types of Gesture Drawing.
From the inside out: Michael Hampton, Glenn Vilppu, The Drawing Database (You Tube Channel).
The movement of the body in general or in particular (Proko, Bean Method, Force Method by Mike Mattesi).
Action line over the whole body (design lines as C, S).
Action Line for the 8 parts of the body (Michael Hampton, Karl Gnass)
This is roughly how I would classify the methods. This would possibly be a video or online course topic :-)
But you are right: you can use any method as a starting base for figurative drawing :-)
I find the topic exciting, because I am more interested in the gestural drawing area, than a hyperrealistic drawing (see for example loish or joshblack)
Thanks for your answer :-)
2yr
Hi @George Rabbitearl, this is interesting! I'll forward it to the team.
I think Stan might have done what you're looking for in this video Q&A – Gesture vs Contour and Scribbly Lines (from 4:24)
Cheers!
Hi @Jesper Axelsson
irhanks.I lnow this video,because I see in the figure drawing course.But this Q&A covers @prolo type of gesture. Michael Hanpton or Glen Villpu did it more from the insidious.hope I I formulated it correctly
thanks
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Overview of different gesture methods2yr
Hi @Proko
Thanks for the videos on Gesture (your own Gesture method, bean method, Michael Hampton's 8 parts of the body method). There are so many gesture methods that you can lose track. So my suggestion would be an overview of the different gesture methods and which industry or genre uses which method. To my knowledge, the animation industry tends to use fluid gesture drawings. Michael Hamptons or Prokos Method is more for fine art, I would guess.
Thanks a lot.
@georgerabbitearl
2yr
@Proko Where can I learn this? Are there more detailed courses about reilly rythmn? I like gesture drawing a lot :-)
Hi,
Since I am spend the last year with gesture drawing to start a figure drawing, it is difficult for me to start with geometric shapes like in this videos. In this assignment I start with gesture for each body part and add than the form. gesture has burned into my mind :-) Hope this is no problem :-) Which advice can you give me? Thanks for any feedback :-) George
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From what I understand gesture, the bean, robo-bean, and mannequinization are all related to one another at the end.
Gesture is the emotion or energy of a pose, the bean is the simplest way to represent the orientation of the two major masses of the torso, the robo-bean is a way to provide structure to the bean, and that leads into mannequinization which provides structure for the entire body and a way to generalize the body so you can work on drawing the human body in any pose from any angle.
The bean and robo-bean are more stepping stones on the way to mannequinization than separate things. Gesture is the energy so your drawings don’t look stiff and boring and mannequization is the structure you’re looking to apply to the gestural flow of the pose.
I hope that’s correct and helps you out.
