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Shelvs Fleurima
To people with no interest in ai, or no basic understanding of pro gaming this dude is speaking Latin XD
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@axel21
So that's what they were talking about... no wonder I was just standing there like an illiterate monkey, trying to comprehend the video in the middle of the night XD Guess I will stick to good old drawing.
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@axel21
Now I understand why gesture is so important. The motion, the understanding and the exaggeration of it. Trying to understand how it flows through the body towards the leading edge of the pose. Thank you for the Great video! My figure drawings have already become better after a few rewatches.
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@axel21
If a drawing supplies video can manage to make you feel like a total noob, then you know it's doing great XD
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@axel21
Hello, Is there any way to draw realistic figures without looking at models? Even after learning the ins and outs of muscles (thanks to your Anatomy course), I find myself unable to maintain the quality without drawing directly from a model. The figures look stiff and after a while of not using references, the quality declines (maybe it's the mind that wants to simplify everything? I don't know). I'm still going to continue learning more, but this is always a thought that I have trying to improve. Am I mixing my priorities? Is it even a goal worth trying, or am I falling into perfectionism? What would you advice me to do about it? Thank you for your time! (And the Very helpful courses too!)
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@mathews
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@axel21
Hi mathews. I really like how the lines flow, and the figures feel alive. I think that the only stiffness I see is on the pelvis on the seventh drawing. Proportions seem good too! I think that if you start with the gesture, the arms and legs will feel more natural, like the rest of the body. Also, it doesn't feel like the muscles attach to bones. I would suggest to try to draw the bones after the gesture, and try to map the origins and insertions of the muscles to the bones. Finally, try to have different kinds of lines (not the same curve in repetition). For example, on the third drawing, you drew the upper arm with four identical curves (from nech to elbow). I would suggest to have more straights and angles, so that the forms look more natural and solid. Good luck in your anatomy studies!
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@younchen
2022/10/07 Here is my assignments . critiques plz. have nice day
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@axel21
Hi younchen, I like the way you have the gesture and then add the forms of the muscles (like with the trapezius). The placement of each form feels more natural this way. I agree with Liandro, he always gives great advice! I would like to add two more suggestions. 1. You drew cross-contour lines on brachialis and deltoid opposite of the contour-lines of the biceps. These cross-contours should be the same for all the upper arm, because they are on the same form (cylinder in simplification). The cross-contour lines you drew on brachialis and deltoid seem more accurate to me, so I would suggest to change these of the biceps. 2. Although the forms are Very good, they feel a little bubble-like. I would suggest to add some straights here and there, in order to feel more solid.
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@younchen
This is my attempt, need critiques..
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@axel21
Hi younchen, I agree with cchapman3. I liked the skeletal structure you drew on the third image. It's very clean and I can easily understand the forms in order to give a critique. The scapulae look well placed too! 1. You tilted the rib cage too far back, like he is in a lying position. Also, you have the perspective right at the bottom of the rib cage, but the sternum and the top (neck area) don't follow the same perspective, thus they end up looking flat. 2. We are looking down to the rib cage a little, so the clavicles will have a subtle bow design (they aren't going to be straight, as they would be, if we were looking at them from the front). The right clavicle should be distorted a lot, because of the extreme perspective (it should be quitle literally an "s curve", not just curved a little so that it resembles an "s"). 3. The 2 humeruses are too thin, and should be straighter. The right humerus is a little short (it should end in about the same level as the bottom of the rib cage). 4. Lastly, I'm not sure if you deliberately tilted the head back, but if it's not deliberate, the head should form an "S curve" gesture with the knees being the other end of the "S" line. Good luck in your anatomy studies!
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M Graves
Does anyone know how many head units tall the sternum is?
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@axel21
Hi Graves, From the Shoulder Bones ebook, it says about one cranial unit from manubrium to bottom of the sternal body, and I measured about one head from manubrium to end of xiphoid process.
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@axel21
The way you constructed that arm reminded me of why I love drawing.
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@axel21
Really nice critiques and epilogue. In a summer, you have taught me almost everything that I know about drawing, after a decade of watching youtube tutorials and scribbling. I am so lucky you decided to make this course.
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@axel21
I really like how you explain Bridgeman's anatomy. Books are filled with unnecessary text, that doesn't add anything to the drawings. There are so many little details that the drawings alone can't reveal to an untrained eye (maybe that's why anatomy books are so difficult, it's like they're asking us to copy their lines). And that's why I appreciate this course so much :) Thank you, Stan
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Jesper Axelsson
I mainly want feedback on my shading Questions: 1.What is that bump right next to the fibula. It should be the soleus right? But it feels like something separate... 2. I outlined the superior tendon of the gastricnemius. Is my interpretation correct?
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@Jesper Axelsson Hi Jesper, unfortunately I don't know much about shading right now, but I will try to answer your questions ( please let me know what you think, so I can verify what I think is going on here). 1. I think There are two bumps next to fibula, the one in the soleus side, I think is soleus striations (because there shouldn't be any other muscle there), but the second one above the peroneus doesn't seem like striations (they would go upwards, but here it just a bump). Is it some bone underneath that makes the peroneus bump on that spot? 2. I think that because the lateral side of the gastrocnemius is smaller than the medial one, we would see a little bit of the medial column too (from what I saw on the 3D model). Your shading seems very good to me. Looking forward to your reply :)
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Johan Kurniawan
omg that exploding head at 6:08 with that sound effect is kinda disturbing
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@axel21
that was so extreme, I'm afraid I'm never going to forget what peroneal longus does to the poor brev... sorry, I meant my poor soul, after watching it
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@axel21
I don't think that anyone in their right mind would blame an anatomy master critiquing another anatomy master. Old masters were people too, with flaws. I don't like this awe that we have on their works nowadays. Then again, I'm just another person trying to improve my anatomy, so my opinion barely matters, but let's relax a little, and be happy that the arts are improving with every passing year :)
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Ria Kumo
I struggled a lot with these since there weren't always clear indications of individual hamstring muscles. Any critique or tips welcomed!
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@axel21
Hi Ria, I haven't done the hamstrings yet, so I will critique the adductors. From your reply, I think you understand them very well now, so feel free to ignore my critique. I'm pretty sure that in your first tracing, the forms you are indicating as gracilis are actually the add. magnus and gracilis merged into one form. Sartorius shouldn't be visible from this angle, except from the knee area, where it flows around the vastus medialis, to attach on the tibia (the big bundle of tendons is actually visible here, so the sartorius would be in the front there, behind it would be the gracilis, and behind it are the hamstrings). The add. magnus attaches to the femur, so the gracilis will overlap it at the knee, in order to join the tendon bundle. The adductor muscle that is medial to the hamstrings is the add.magnus. Gracilis is medial to the add. magnus. You have it as gracilis in your 3rd tracing (the one on his left leg), but it is actually the add.magnus. In your 2nd, 3rd and 4rth tracing you forgot the add. magnus, between the hamstrings and the gracilis. It should be a little wedge-like form, like the one you drew on the 3rd tracing-his right leg , but a little bit longer. When the muscle is not stretched, it will be like a wedge, because it is covered by the hamstrings. If stretched, it will continue, until its insertion on the distal femur. Best of luck with your anatomy studies :)
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Haneen
Hello, just one question. Should not the pelvis of the right leg (from the viewer's perspective) be tilted up slightly higher than the left because the weight is on the right leg?
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@axel21
I believe you are correct. The obliques on Anthony's left side are compressed, and on his right are stretched (like a contrapposto pose), so that means, he is putting most of his weight on his left leg. That should relax the right leg, making the pelvis tilt a little downwards on the right. I also think I'm seeing the ASIS points, positioned that way too. I spent almost an hour trying to understand what's going on, so my pride has accumulated to the sky. At this point, should anyone point me wrong, I'll take it personally (lol no XD)
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Max Franken
I have a question regarding this assignment. It’s regarding the larger tubular muscle right next to the sternal part of the sternocleidomastoid. I’m not sure if it’s the clavicular portion op the sternocleidomastoid or if it’s one of the scalenes (medius, or even anterior). To me it looks too much lateral (and shaped tubular) to be the clavicular portion of the SCM. It looks like stan is also indicating it to be the scalene and not the SCM, because in between the two there is a very light indication of what appears to be the clavicular part of the SCM.
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Hi Max I believe it's the clavicular portion of the SCM muscle, because it attaches to the medial third of the clavicle. Also, Stan draws 3 muscles between the SCM and the trapezius. From what we learnt from previous lessons, they are (top to bottom) the splenius capitis, the erector spinae, and the scalenus medius. You can watch Stan draw the scalenus medius on 6:53. I believe the lateral side of the clavicular portion seems like a tube, because it stretches more than the medial side. Good luck in your anatomy studies.
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Sundjiv
Hi everyone, after looking at the correction for the upper back assignment, there is still some part that I don't understand. Especially with the last examples, doeas anyone has an idea about which muscle is corresponding to the area I circled in black please ? Thank you :)
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@axel21
Hi Sundjiv, I'm really late (and you might have figured it out by now), but here goes: Top ellipse: The muscle here is infraspinatus. Beside it is a depression that corresponds to the teres minor, and below teres minor, we can see teres major bulging out. Bottom left ellipse: It's the serratus anterior. Above, on the medial edge of the scapula, there is a triangular depression that corresponds to the rhomboid. Right ellipse: This is again the infraspinatus. I hope I cleared up some of the confusion. The back can be very frustrating with all these muscles stretching and contracting. Best of luck with your anatomy studies.
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Simon
You lost me at 4:00 - 4:15. I'm not sure what those lines are suppose to be. That's the latissimus dorsi region but we didn't go over any striations when learning to draw it in the form video. I'm thinking maybe the teres major, but it looks so far away from the rib cage I can't imagine the scapula being way out there for the teres major to be positioned liked that.
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@axel21
Hi Simon. If you are referring to the oval-like shape on the far right, it's actually the teres major (there is also a part of the muscle that is covered by the latissimus dorsi). It seems very strange to me too, but it shows how much the teres major stretches when the arm is raised. Anthony's muscles are so developed, that they bulge out, so they seem very far from the rib cage, but if you draw the humerus and scapula as we learnt, you will see the stretching.
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Ernesto Palma
I would like to provide some feedback on the shoulder muscle videos as well as the anatomy course in general. I would say that the course could benefit with a bit of restructuring, specifically adding some advance information on any muscles that surround an area we are studying. Specifically here, what I found is, to get the most out of the lessons related to the PECTORALIS MAJOR and the shoulder muscles in general; I had to study the DELTOID on my own, and skip ahead to the DELTOID section of the Arms course. Perhaps it would be of help to add extra review options for the surrounding muscles between certain lessons. I honestly don´t know what the most elegant solution would be, since the very nature of the intertwining anatomical parts makes it difficult as it is, and you are surely doing an OUTSTANDING job.
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@axel21
The deltoids and the latissimus dorsi here are just a bonus, so if you haven't watched the lessons about these muscles, you just need to focus on the shoulder muscles for the time being. The deltoids and the latissimus dorsi won't affect the form of the shoulder muscles in any way. The shoulder muscles are the ones that affect the shape of the muscles above them, so it would just be a distraction to learn about other muscles. Again, the deltoids are not affected by the pectoralis major in any way, so there shouldn't be any need to know about the delts in order to practice the pecs. It wouldn't be practical to rush things and try to include all the information of these muscles in one video anyway. If you want to know more about other muscles, you are free to watch the next lessons and come back again. I don't know why there should be a restructuring, when the muscles are divided into small and coherent lessons, as it is now. Personally, I think that this course is made with the idea of not thinking about the small parts of the picture, and start thinking of the picture as a whole first ( starting with big shapes and then adding details). In that regard, it's only natural to focus on individual muscle groups one at a time before proceeding to learn about the next muscle group ( the overal composition of the human body being the big picture and the muscle groups being the details).
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