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@vesuvio
After some time practicing, here are some of my mannequins. I've tried to keep both balance and proportion (phases of work are: gesture, balance/proportions and finally mannequin) but both will come much better after doing some more specific studies. Should I already try to study either anatomy or more proportions specifically for it? (Proportion for the part between the gesture and the mannequin while anatomy to put on top of the mannequin). Also had very much fun trying to craft poses from my imagination (latest work, its the image with the blue "imagination" label, had the most clear idea with the first) where I also used once a ruler (the green line) Tagging @Liandro and @Crystal Blue (she/her) from my last post! I've trying using a white background (referring to my last post's "dark mode") and I found it very much a game changer so I think I will keep it (at least during the day!) And yeah, I've used my new drawing display on those ones rather than the drawing tablet (and surely not paper by the look of it!).
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Here are some more drawings. I also did try the robo bean but will make a different thread tomorrow to focus on it. (The marks on paper are actually darker than they appear, the scanner doesn't grab them tho). The images I used can be found here: https://imgur.com/a/NaE5SkH. I haven't really found a way to practice the landmarks so the digital drawing is really as far as I thought about. @Crystal Blue (she/her) thank you for your reply! It's the video I watched but I feel like I could try and get more from it by rewatching. Am I getting this right?
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@vesuvio
Here is some more work I've done between those two days @Crystal Blue (she/her) @Liandro . I forgot to specify that I am not using any smoothing functionality. I've tried looking for the Reilly method as Crystal mentioned but I (probably) haven't been able to find the right one as the one I have seen doesn't explain as far as I wished to. I have tried to figure it out myself tho, while trying my best to make use of what I have seen. Proko's image limit doesn't allow me to post everything so I've uploaded the models for the gestures on paper on imgur (Link: https://imgur.com/a/PXtSxkG). I apologize if the paper is thin (using those kinds of sketch books where you draw and then tear the page from the notebook itself to get on the next page while making the drawing unlinked from the rest of the book; It is not possible to go to the next page without removing the previous from the book) and scanning has a little bit of overlapping between the two sides: If it is a problem for you reviewing my work please tell me and I will either grab something else or use one side for sharable gestures and the other (after scanning of course) for warm ups (cubes mainly?). I will probably grab the models less times (rn I always grab so I can put it next to my gesture) in order to speed up the exercise and use line of action's build in timer rather than my phone's. I've also though about trying out some poses that are not from line of action itself.
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@vesuvio
Hello all! I have read @Crystal Blue (she/her), @Liandro and @kemon replies and would really like to thank you all. I tried limiting my time (30 seconds in regards for gesture while the bean was free from time limits) and will attach my work. @Liandro hit the point in regards of using my whole arm (which is still a little difficult to do on my screenless tablet.) so I have also done some of the pictures on paper and experimenting with joints. I am a really big fan of mechanical pencils so I used those instead of a traditional pencil (I am not sure but I think a mechanical pencil's mark is similar to only using the tip of a traditional pencil). I am also thinking about looking for something that is able to stop my hand from getting stuck on the paper when its too warm or keep control when its too cold (I have noticed either either temperatures can be a little annoying, although its not really much). Lastly, although you can see a little bit of "rust" in my drawings (I was only able to practice seldomly) I will now be able to practice way more often (ideally every day). I will keep trying on both paper and tablet and will wait for your replies. Thank you once again!
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After a little break, I have restarted making gesture drawings and when I felt confident enough, I tried to go on drawing the bean for my poses. I do not keep timing when drawing. Do you think I should try? Also, I find it really hard to draw the bean on my drawing tablet due to the curve being round. Probably because I cannot see my hand there (it is not a screen tablet). What could I do to ease up drawing those curves? I mainly draw with wrist and rarely with shoulder, could it be the issue?
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Steve Lenze
Hey Vesuvio, It's good your back to drawing. These drawings are more in the spirit of gesture drawings then what you were doing before. The first two drawings are pretty good, I can really feel the movement. But one of the things I noticed is that you are not including the head in the gesture, it looks like an after thought. Try to find a gesture line that goes from the head, through the whole body (or as much of the body as you can). Also, pay attention to the angles of the body, some of your drawings are tilted too much or too straight up and down. I did some sketches to show you what I mean, I hope it helps :)
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@vesuvio
Hello there and thanks for the feedback! Its nice to see you again! I didn't really understand the angles part but I indeed found what you meant with the head being after thought. Going over my process, I noticed I usually place the head as a circle first and then go down the spine so, in order to learn to include it more, I have decided to try and make it "part of the spine itself" by removing the circle and attempting to give it an action line by itself. Here are some tries that I made over the past day, once again with a number from the oldest (1) to the newest (8). I also would like to try doing this exercise on paper to see if my drawing tablet is a big limit for me. I also started thinking about using more light lines in the beginning and slowly refining my gesture with darker ones, although at the beginning I would have many messy and useless lines. Would it still make sense? Last thing: While practicing lineofaction showed me a pose and I realized I had zero idea on how to even begin on it. How would one capture the gesture of that one pose? (The pose is the only image that doesn't have neither a try at gesture or the number to time it).
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@vesuvio
Quite a bit of time ago, I've started trying learning to draw. I found proko's figure drawing foundamentals's playlist and it was really a gift from heaven. However at some point I hit a wall during mannequinization: My gesture wasn't really good and in the end I was more likely to ignore it during forms construction rather than actually making good use of it (you should still be able to find my other post here somewhere). Then life has got busy and I haven't had a chance to touch my drawing tablet for quite a while but today I finally managed to and planning to start over learning to draw (both by using proko's videos and ctrl+paint). This time, however, I do not want rely on poor basics and therefor have decided to seek for help in regards of my gesture drawings. I've posted a few gesture drawings I made after rewatching the "Gesture drawing video" (one is made before and after seeing the pose on the step by step video, one is only before watching the same pose on the video). When I used to try and get gesture down, almost would always rely on contours so this once I tried to focus on the motion as much as I could so sorry if they seem a little bad.
Steve Lenze
Hey Vesuvio, I like how you broke down your thinking on this drawing. I will say, you picked a pretty difficult pose to work on, sitting poses can be hard, especially with a twisting torso. try to work out the pose by drawing the two major masses in the body, the torso and the pelvis. You also compressed the pose because of the sitting pose. I did a sketch to show you how I would do it. I hope this helps you going forward :)
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@vesuvio
Hello! Thank you for answering! I see you made the ribcage more indipendent from the pelvis too! I tried to apply it and posted two more drawings with it! Please check them out whenever you can!
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@vesuvio
I realized one of the two I was supposed to post was a way too complicated pose and turned out pretty badly so I discarded it. However I made two more drawings to check out. (The one with the bean is the older one, the other two are newer). I also followed Steve Lenze's advice and made both the ribcage and the pelvis more "indipentent" while before the box for the torso and the box for the pelvis were close by. I also noticed that giving contour to the figure made them better so I did. I still am a little confused on how I should start moving on into a more defined character, with detail and all. I also wonder if there is anything else I could improve with as other people work still looks, at first glance, more clear.
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@vesuvio
I have been following Proko's figure drawing playlist for a while now and I am pretty excited about it, especially because up until I started following lessons and practicing somewhat regularly, I never thought something as "subjective" as drawing could be in my skill-set. I managed to draw both on paper and digitally although I prefer the latter. I currently reached the mannequinization after watching gesture (which I did practice but ALWAYS feels a little... off?), bean (I had nightmares drawing that digitally!), robobean (I loved this one), landmarks (I barely remember anything... agh...) and structure (Although I only did draw stand alone forms such as cubes or cylinders). It has been fun and all but now I am slowly getting the sensation that "this is not enough". I mean, as I draw and watch the critique lessons I see other student's work look way more clean than mine no matter how much I practice (probably I just repeat the same mistakes without noticing) and even if they look good, how do I go from a mannequin to a finished drawing/some design I could use? How do I fill in the detail? Should I start already learning anatomy and proportions? I had a quick glance at the shading video but I feel like it too doesn't help enough on the detail part. At the end of the day, I decided to post here my questions and concerns in hope someone may provide me the answer I am seeking for. I will post one of the exercise I just did using a photo from "line of action". The exercise I did today is divided into 4 parts. First the gesture, then the mannequinization without the use of the gesture itself and then two tries of mannequinization having the gesture as a guide. (I am not at my usual working desk and as soon as I reach it, I will post two more exercises I did a few days ago). Thank you for reading my way too long text and please if you have any advice on how to improve at my current stage and continue from it, share it.
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