looking for feedback: drawing from reference vs imagination?
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Eli
Hello :) I did some rough portrait studies (3 with reference, 1 without). Maybe someone can point out where i should improve/focus on. i feel like i make even more mistakes (in terms of anatomy/proportions) when drawing with reference, compared to them when drawing without. But why...? Also happy about genreal feedback. Im rather a newbie to Art stuff but want to improve so please dont hold back :) Thanks!
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Peter Anton
With imagination you can draw whatever angles and proportions you want and have it look good. You don't have to worry about subtle angles of the head or likeness. I imagine you are able to draw better from imagination because you only do the things you're comfortable doing. It's like a musician learning a new song. They COULD just play the songs they know well, but if they want to learn new songs they have to go through the process of trial and error, which doesn't sound as good as the songs they already know. I call this phenomenon the "comfort trap," where you do the easy thing that gives you immediate results. But if you wanna improve, you gotta do the work that's harder AND looks worse, because you're still figuring it out. You are gonna look worse doing new stuff, but you will get better in the long run.
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Gino Datuin
Hi, great sketches! I'm no expert by all means. However, the way I would approach this is to practice using reference from photos or life to break down complex forms into simple forms and shapes. For faces I study the Loomis method, Asaro head, and Reilly rhythms. I find that this helps me when trying to translate complex imaginary characters, objects, monsters, trees, etc. in my head on to paper. And study how light and shadows affect these forms. And understanding the subject your trying to imagine. Eventually, I would hope, you'd be able to see the simple shapes in your head without drawing them on paper real-time when creating something from imagination. I'm working on this as well. It's tough. I guess in its most simplistic way, draw as much as you can from reference, break complex forms down into simple forms, then try doing it without reference. Easier said than done, but it's all part of the process! Happy drawing!, Gino
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Eli
3yr
Hey Gino, Thank you! I will defently check out more of Asaro head and Reilly rhythms, as i im just used to the loomis-method and maybe i can learn something new. I really like your artworks and i think i can learn a lot from them! Also i like the shape-painting stlye, do you even draw with lines when painting a portrait?
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Gabriel Kahn
Hey there! Good job so far. To answer your question: it is not reference OR imagination, it's reference AND imagination. It is immensely hard - especially as a beginner - to draw practically anything without reference. Whenever you work on something look for references for your subject. After that you can incorporate anything you would like, that's the place for your imagination. Nature has already done its thing, you don't have to reinvent it. Instead integrate it into your drawings. Even if you draw in a very stylized way you should always use some realistic elements to keep your drawings interesting. The reason you make more mistakes when you are drawing from reference is simple... You don't make more mistakes, but since you have a reference that is 'correct' you will notice your mistakes much more frequently, while if you don't use any you have nothing to compare your drawing to. Hope I could help! Keep up the good work! :)
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Eli
3yr
Hey Gabriel, thank you very much! i will defenetly take your advice to heart and practice more from reference :) It makes a lot of sense how you describe it, especially the noticing the own mistakes. I just hope i didn't pick up too much wrong habbits, because i drew a lot from imagation... :'D
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Luigi Manese
Hi @eli_e I think Steve hit the nail on the head by pointing out that the structure of your head drawings should be made more solid by making sure the features are all lined up in perspective. Additionally I think doing a few loomis heads without any features (just showing the structure) could help remedy this. Also, you really did pick some difficult angles to draw the head from (especially that one of the figure looking straight up). It might be beneficial to work with simpler angles like looking at the head straight on, and then at a 3/4 view, etc. for the time being. I'm also curious which one of these are from reference and which one is from imagination? It's hard to tell right now (which I suppose is good because that means your work looks consistent either way) but I feel like I might be able to address your question knowing this, however I do find that to be pretty strange haha. I'm sure you already know that most people have the opposite issue. It could have something to do with your confidence in just drawing from imagination but I'm not entirely sure. In some ways that might not be a bad problem, who knows Hope you found this helpful! Let me know if there is anything that I can clear up for you
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Eli
3yr
Hey @Luigi Manese Thank you for your feedback :) The bottom right one (marked with "i.") is from imagination, the other three from reference. I guess i still feel much more comfortable to draw from imagination, because i draw like that almost all the time. (i know, i know... i should really draw more with reference, if i want to improve :D) I will focus on more loomis-structure, but is there any better way in practicing those difficult angles? Because i feel like the loomis-mehtod doesn't work so well, as the horizontal lines (eyebrows, nose, mouth, chin) are foreshortened and i can't divide them in quarters anymore (does that make any sense? :D) Or is it just practice practice practice, until i remember their correlations in the different angles? Thank you again! You professionals are all so kind for looking at such beginner stuff <3 (your art is amazing btw!)
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Steve Lenze
Hey eli e, These are pretty good for a newbie, you picked some difficult angles. The main problem your having is that none of your features are lined up. It would help if you practice the Loomis head, you can find them on line if you don't know what that is. Also Proko did a free video of it on his youtube channel. I did some draw overs so that you can see what I'm talking about. Hopefully this helps, keep drawing :)
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Eli
3yr
Hey Steve, Thank you so much for your feedback and your draw overs! This helps a lot :) I did know the Loomis-Method already, but as you pointed out, defently can't apply it in more extreme angles and its hard to deal with the foreshortened lines. I guess i will try to practice some more of those loomis-heads. Thanks again! :)
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