AI for generating ideas?
When I’m coming up with my cartoons, I usually find it easier to envision the drawing part, but I tend to have a harder time when attempting to create texts (for example, funny punch lines, witty captions etc.) And I’ve been finding it helpful to interact with ChatGPT for that. It doesn’t give me anything close to a great final text ready to be used, but it’s helping me get "unstuck" with more ease. Have you guys ever tried any AI tool for brainstorming, developing a rough idea or something like that? If so, what do you think of the experience?
I feel like it takes a critical part of the creative process away, either personal creativity to overcome a problem or meaningful collaboration with another person. Both can teach you more about overcoming the problem in the future than it is to just rely on machine input to jumpstart an idea. Limitations are helpful for growth, outsourcing a limitation to a machine just feels self defeating to creative growth. Besides, it's your voice, your scene, wouldn't you want your jokes, your words to come out? Even if it's not perfectly worded or knee slapping funny, it's still you, your unique voice. But I guess it depends on how you view art. Anything AI would be able to automate are all things I want to do or get better at so it holds no interest for me.
I think it will find uses eventually, but not to the level of hype or threats discussed now. I think fundamentally, 'AI' generated pieces/references/whatever are *empty.* I think we (people) like the idea that a piece either came from something in our world, or was *someone's* idea. AI creating it out of 'nothing' in a sense leaves no exploration for 'why' or prompts to investigating the artist's choices. The AI (Well, ML really...) just *did it*. What do you explore with that other than algorithms? I think you're right on this use-case though, prompts for ideas will I think continue, but they are meaningless (literally) without the artists applying their ideas over it. Sure, people are still going to be wowed by the generated art, but the interest will disappear immediately after that, because who *really* wants to follow an algorithm. And sure, scammers, as there ever has been, will continue to try and fool us (i.e. photobashing) and so we must continue to be careful. On top of all that, I just don't think 'AI' will be profitable enough for these use cases. And, if people are all using these generation services for 'free,' then we have to ask how they are making money then.
You know, guys, by reading your comments, I can’t help but get thoughts popping all over. I’m comparing the AI phenomenon with the invention of photography back in the late 1800s. Until then, only artists could make images, and they had literally no other way but to go through the hard path of dedicating their entire lives to learn, practice and hone their craft. But once it was possible for basically anyone to record an image within seconds through the click of a button, what was the point of painting anyway? This is the premise that triggered modern art and launched visual languages to unprecedent levels. Although representational painting was out of museums, it eventually found a new fruitful territory in the entertainment industry. And artists eventually found, in photography, a handy tool to help them do their work. Now, with AI, it feels like another historical roadblock. It gets me thinking: what exactly does it mean to be creative? What’s the difference between a human and AI when it comes to being creative? ChatGPT tells me that AI “can generate outputs that mimic creative elements", but it "struggles to generate truly original and unique work” and "lacks the intuitive leaps and inspiration that come naturally to humans". It says that the difference lies in the fact that humans have intuition, a personal bias, subjective experiences, emotional judgements and unique perspectives based on their particular life histories. Is this the time to embrace, strengthen and value our singular selves? Not just be creative, but be creative in such a way that only I (and you, and anyone individually) can be? Embrace each one’s originality with all their unique sets of biases, limitations, judgements, flaws and insights? Maybe. There is a real threat AI is bringing upon artists (and several other jobs) on a macro, social level in our “money-must-come-first” economy. But is AI enough to alienate humans from making art altogether? I truly doubt it. I believe art in the core of our species existence. Whether by rejecting AI or by integrating it somehow, I think humans will always want to make and experience art.
This is a tricky subject. But here are my two cents. I have not used generative AI and I have no intention of using it. But I've seen what it can do. I think that using AI to get over those “sticking points” (whether it’s text or imagery) can be a slippery slope. Sure, it’s small things at first - writing an E-Mail, writing video descriptions, or generating some ideas for artistic projects. However, after a while, it might become increasingly tempting to integrate AI more and more. And before you know it, you'll end up becoming dependent on it. I think the struggle and the “getting stuck” part is essential for someone's growth. The act of learning has value (even when it comes to smaller stuff). It’s not always easy, it’s not always pleasant, but it doesn't always have to be.
Not really just because I feel like it make my improv skill worse. I learn Bashing your brain for 10 hours to make the perfect punchline is a nice exercise and give contrast compare to having to make a joke in a convesation and having about 30 seconds to either land the punchline or having awkward silence all around you. I feel like using chatgpt is just going to end up being a clutch for when I can't make a joke and at some point probably use it more than what a normal person do. I also have a fear that it would probably just create something that's already done. An A.I.'s job is basically just taking everything that had been done and repackaged it. The only way someone is going to make something new is (or atleast for me) when you're so exhaused that you start getting delirium and don't care if the idea is good or not and just write it down. And I don't know if I can reach that point with A.I. , since it would probably be too easy.
I'm in the camp where I hate AI. For ChatGPT - where it generates written content - I don't care as much, though I still dislike it. In regards to using it for visual "inspiration"; I truly despise it. #1 - It's literally stealing art from artists to generate its images. There's been cases where watermarks - the artists' signature - was planted into the generated image. No artist ever has given their consent to have their artwork harvested for an abomination designed to someday replace them. (Sorry if I'm using too strong language, I just get passionate, haha). #2 - I understand why someone would use image generators for 'inspiration', but I don't GET why an artist would use it. It's like, robbing yourself of one of the best parts of creating - the part of discovering. You have an idea of something you want to draw.... so BRAINSTORM. Discover! If you NEEEED inspiration, pick up a magazine, read a book, play, let your imagination take over. Do thumbnail sketches. Look at other artists who've tackled similar subjects. Draw inspiration for their poses, the lines they used, their shape language, etc. There are sooo many art books out there. This isn't the same as looking at an AI image because the artist was deliberate about what he made; the AI is not. The AI is like a lump of wet mud mushed into what it thinks 'deliberate' looks like. To me in my opinion, using AI to create visual art is excessively lazy, detrimental to your own artistic progress, and sacrilegious to the process of creating.
I have experimented with it. I try using it to be an idea generator. where I ask it can give be some cartoon ideas and I pick the ones I like and expand on it from there. though I am excited to use adobe firefly and one called kaiber animation tool. since my goal is to create some original animation one day.
I tried ChatGPT and the infamous image generators like Midjourney and StableDiffusion. I must say I definitely see how they are going to become powerfull tools in all graphic or video industry, including video games. I saw Photoshop rise and become a standard, then ZBrush and 3dCoat, next physical rendering engine, and now this... what a time to be alive ! ChatGPT I tried to make it generate some scripts based on small scenarii I wrote just to see how it would compare to mine. It was with the free version, and the poor thing kept confusing some action but still, very impressive on the level of language articulation. Stories and plot twists were still very common and unsurprising though. Then I discussed broadly with it about tragedy, writing, stereotype and plot twist. It was more interesting as it pointed some reference to look at and it definitely helped me. Also I finally found "someone" that know about sci-fi fantasy, a not very know genre :'). I don't care if it's an enhanced robot. I definitely will come back for more ressources like this. Then the image generators. Here I wanted to test how it behave and while super impressive in render ability, it's how this is going to turn brainstorm and various tidy tasks into no brainer that blowed my mind. I used them both to generate random references, also to investigate various ambiant or color super fast, then tested render in different medium... The end result pushed me to buy watercolors again, something I didn't touch since 2006 :). I'm very bad at colors and my environment are dull, this help greatly, I feel a little like a DA that can make important decision ahead of starting production. Now if I had some free time I would train a few to help me spot perspective mistake and common composition mistake (tangent, repetition, similar scale...), also I would train one to write with my handwriting all dialog text so I just have to ink on top, and probably have another one trained on various texture to fill blank where it's needed. But I bet these tools are going to exist before I get my evenings back hehe.
Hey Liandro, I have to be honest, I hate all things AI with a passion. It doesn't bother me that other people such as yourself use it. I just don't want anything to do with it myself, to me, art is a human endeavor, not a machines. I get why some people like it to generate reference and so forth, but I think that it cheats you out of using your creative mind. If I can't solve a problem, I work harder and sweat more until I can. That is what makes me grow, not having a machine do it for me. Again, this is just what I think about using it for me. Some people say that using AI is the same as collecting reference on your own and mashing it together. This is not true! When you do it, you are using your creative mind to make the decisions, not relying on a machine to do it for you. Being an artist has been, and is a lifelong pursuit for me, and the last thing I want to do is cheapen that journey by letting a machine do all the heavy lifting for me. Michelangelo did not need a machine to create some of the greatest masterpieces in history. He was able to do that because of the struggle he had to go through to gain the skill he needed. I get why some will take full advantage of this technology, it will be a shortcut to getting what they want in a shorter time. Good for them. Me, I will continue making art the hard way because it makes me feel really good inside :)