pinkapricorn
pinkapricorn
United States
Focused on overcoming my internal (and external) art demons and developing a study process that is both thorough and emotionally sustainable.
pinkapricorn
When I click on it nothing happens. It's just an image. Also note how in the video list it doesn't look like a video, either.
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pinkapricorn
Those of you that are learning on your own from books, videos, and whatever else you decide to use, what is your overall approach to art study? And how do you deal with problems like: -Knowing what to study, when, and for how long? -How do you keep the difficulty level appropriate--not so easy it's boring but not so hard you spend most of your time spinning your wheels and losing morale -Tracking your progress and actually being able to feel the sense of progression
Mike Jara
Thank you for pointing this out. We are aware how confusing this is and will fix it in a near future release.
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pinkapricorn
Cool beans 👍
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pinkapricorn
I got really confused wondering why the button wasn't there but when I navigated to my albums through my classroom > albums I was able to get the button. The place on the site where you can view your albums and add a new one, and the place on your profile where you cannot, they look very similar, so it communicated that were the same kind of "thing" in the system and my brain expected the same functionality, hence the confusion. My suggestion is either make these two ways of viewing an album look different or make it so there is an "add album" button with viewing your own albums on your own profile.
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Bradwynn Jones
looks like a really good book. The amazon reviews are high also. I may put it on my wish list. I studied from Paul Ekman's book Unmasking the Face which is not for drawing but for understanding how our faces show expressions very very quickly and other cool science about reading facial expressions. It's a fun side study at best. I will have to get our book for sure soon
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pinkapricorn
Interesting book. That Ekman one. I put it on my wishlist for consideration later.
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TeResA Bolen
I haven’t, but it looks interesting, and it’s one I told myself I would get eventually (but didn’t when I had it in my hands - also I was holding a Japanese copy). I wouldn’t say I have learned facial anatomy, but I had a wonderful course in uni with Marshall’s mentor who had us drawing skulls from a life sized plastic model we purchased and assembled. Then we added the muscles in plastic clay, and drew that. I had a portraiture course with Jason Seiler, and he did a wonderful job with the basics and nose. What looks good about the resource you found is that it focuses on facial expressions, so that’s dealing with the functionality of the anatomy in a way that is important to us. Beyond that I would also look into the materials for medical students as Stan did for preparing the course if I wanted to take a deeper dive. Given your skill set, you could create your own interactive facial anatomy teaching tool if you wanted to, I bet! Great topic! Keep us posted 😊
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Second reply because I grabbed some examples of what I'm talking about. I cloze out whatever structures I either don't know the name or I'm slow at recalling it. Stuff I know well I don't bother. Two sets of: 1. original scan 2. front of card 3. back of card Edit: If anybody spots errors let me know. I can still edit these files.
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pinkapricorn
Yeah I spend quite a bit of time in medical anatomy resources. A life goal of mine since like 2003 has been to "master" dog and horse anatomy (be able to identify pretty much any structure in the big, thick anatomy books) and become decent with human anatomy (I'll be satisfied with just clinical-level). I've finally got a good system going for thoroughly learning dog anatomy and it's going so well and I know I'm gonna make it to my goal this time because I have a great, sustainable study process that is extremely effective. So I'm thinking ahead to the other anatomy boxes I wanna check, so to speak, during the course of my life and what the resources are that could get me there. I don't wanna just be able to point to a structure and regurgitate a name. I wanna draw that sucker too haha. Along with all of its homies lol (E.g. drawing the deltoid with the triceps and trapezius and latissimus dorsi) And yeah I make a lot of my own resources. I've been scanning images out of my dog anatomy books, putting the scans in photoshop and I've turned them into coloring books where I get on the cintiq and color each structure a different color. And then I use the Image Occlusion addon for Anki to make flash cards where each one asks me the name of a structure structure and I get immediate feedback if I was right or not. And the Anki algorithm has spaced repetition that keeps track of how difficult each card is for me and shows me the ones I struggled with more than the ones that are easy. So I get the most memorization for the least amount of effort. But don't get me wrong it's still a lot of effort especially since I make my own resources... but I've been wanting this for almost 18 years now. I pride myself on being an amateur anatomist even though nobody else in my life gives a shit haha I still feel like I'm cool. Because anatomy is cool 😂 And that's neat about adding muscles with clay to a skull. I wanna do that. You're building a face from the frame up!!
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pinkapricorn
Proko has an anatomy and a portraiture course but nothing for the anatomy of the head, especially when it relates to facial expression. So I went looking for outside resources. The book Anatomy of Facial Expressions looks promising but I'm wondering if anyone here has used it? Or if you learned your facial anatomy another way? The link: https://smile.amazon.com/dp/1735039047/?coliid=I2L0D1NEUNYUW8&colid=3MVOZQXDOKDXC&psc=1&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it#customerReviews
pinkapricorn
Whoa neat idea. I do something innovative kind of like this but to study perspective and structure. I use the 3D modeling/animation software Blender to create simple still life's from primitive shapes and I can light them however and turn the camera different angles and I learn how when, like, the light source moves the shadows change. Super helpful! Anyway stopping movies sound like a really great idea as well. When I was in 4th grade (way back in the 90s) I remember we had a kid in our class that would draw by stopping Disney movies and drawing what was in the frame. And I remember being impressed by the stuff he brought in to show everyone. I also think movies can be better for learning how to draw people/animals in all kinds of poses because with still images they usually only post the images that look good but you can stop a movie in, like, in between phases and see poses that, while ugly, are ones you'd never see otherwise.
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pinkapricorn
Many months ago I heard somebody on the staff say this was planned but they hadn't got around to coding it yet. I guess they still haven't.
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pinkapricorn
Looks good. My brain does latch onto these better and find them more meaningful but........ it's April Fools'! What's the catch? Am I gonna click a link and water sprays in my face? lol 😆😋
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Jesse Yao
Is the resume learning tab bugged out/not there on the home page of the website? If so that's a bug that should be reported, bc it should be there and smooths out navigation issues Otherwise though, under your profile on the main page there should be a "resume learning" section (light blue in pic) which lists up to the 3 most recent courses you purchased/acccessed. In that same section there's a "Go to courses" option (yellow) which will automatically take you to a tab where the courses you have purchased/follow/added are visible. Alternatively there's also the courses tab itself (green) which will take you to that same page
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The resume learning section links have always been working on my end (no bugs I've seen) but a lot of times I'm entering a course because I wanted to refer back to something and I dunno I just often end up getting lost for a little while each time. And sometimes even when I do just want to pick up where I left off, I don't necessarily think about the Resume Learning section and might just mindlessly click "browse" in the main navigation and get confused. It happens over and over and I'm not totally sure why but I think it's something about the visual hierarchies, like what looks most dominant relative to the content around it, I guess subconsciously tells my brain, "What you want is this way!" But it's wrong. I have ADHD but I don't struggle like this in any other app, so I'm thinking it's the app. But if I'm the only one it happens to then I don't know. I might just save some shortcuts in my browser and use those instead.
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Jesse Yao
They are replacements for the subscribe slider that was there before. They both do the same function
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pinkapricorn
Oh, I see. Okay.
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pinkapricorn
I talked about this many months ago but I thought I'd bring it up again because it's still an issue. I constantly forget how to get to my specific courses that I have purchased and always end up on the browse page wondering why there's tons of courses that aren't mine and then even when I remember I have to really think what path to take to get to the section of the site with just my stuff. Am I the only one who has trouble following the navigation sometimes? I can get to my profile page no problem and the forums pretty quick but navigating to my courses is hard. I always have to come out of autopilot and really think about what I'm doing. And then I forget why I was going to a particular course haha oh man :)
pinkapricorn
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I just noticed follow buttons next to each board on the categories page. Are those new or am I blind? I always come in through that page when I go to the forum. Editing this after Jesse Yao's comment: These new follow buttons are way more compelling to my brain than what was there before. To personify it, you could say they call out to my brain like, "Hey! I'm here! Consider clicking me!" And my brain is like, "Okay! Hmm... what ones do I wanna sub to? *looks through* Oh, how about this! And this..." So to speak anyways. What was there before, it made my brain assume that it was uninteresting and not worth my consideration and I think that's why I was barely aware of it. This I couldn't not notice. Now that may or may not be your intended effect but I figured at least I'd give you feedback on how my particular brain reacted :)
pinkapricorn
@Stan Prokopenko Thanks for the updates. By any chance will we be able to add description text to individual album images at some point? I did this on every image back when I used to use Deviant Art. I always have something I want to say to describe the image like my thought process or what inspired it.
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pinkapricorn
There's a lot I like and hate about Drawabox. I hate following the curriculum to the letter because I have been forced to do so much traditional art in my life, I am eternally sick of it. It's gotten where if I can't work digitally then I don't want to be an artist haha :) Anyway some stuff on Drawabox has SUPER helped me. Like working through lesson 1 I got where I can draw way more confident lines, and I learned the ghosting method, and how to freehand good ellipses, etc. all fundamentals my art teachers NEVER taught me!! I was b/sing as an artist for 30+ years without those most basic of skills. Now I can draw pretty sexy lines when I concentrate (with no stabilizer!) and I'm working on incorporating it into when I'm actually sketching stuff. Currently I'm studying to learn how to better draw cylinders and it's helping lots! I need to be comfortable manipulating these suckers in 3D space if I am to ever learn mannequinization in the Proko figure course. In the figure course I started fizzling out in the structure chapter because it went so far over my head it was like a speck in the sky! So I'm really working to get strong here. Stupid boxes and cylinders and all that. I wanna bend them to my will! I want them to face whatever direction I want and look legit :D
pinkapricorn
Good to see you're still practicing :) I'm really good at gesture but I need to get better at structure before I can even think about mannequinization. I'm still struggling to place objects in 3D space (aside from boxes which I can more or less b/s) so I'm practicing cylinders and form intersections so I can eventually have enough skill to move on to break up subjects into simple forms and not feel utterly mindboggled by it.
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Jesse Yao
Yeah seems everything looks like its been empty for like 2 months it's pretty weird. Maybe Marshall and Stan are trying to finish up that perspective course or something
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pinkapricorn
Oh I hope so! Haha that would be so totally worth their absence. I'm planning on getting part 1 with my free course code thingy I got for being a beta tester. I WANNA KICK PERSPECTIVE'S BUTT haha
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pinkapricorn
*yells out* Echo *hears* ECHO ECHO ECHO!!!! Seriously though who's out there? The forums are don't get much activity these days.
pinkapricorn
Please refer to attached screenshot. It didn't put the whole link in there. It's in this thread: https://prokolab.com/community/topics/upgrading-to-a-new-intuos-should-i-get-medium-or-large
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