Sandy L
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Thank you so much all of you for the help and suggestions. I've watched Dorian Itens stream, grabbed a bunch of references and will try to apply everything into value study thumbnails to see which perspective will best portray the scene I want to make as well as trying to design the values and shapes into grabbing visual interest. Then I'll try to color it, Edgar Payne have some interesting color shapes and will be fun to look into what colors he uses more closely. I will drop the result here whenever it gets completed, thank you all again!
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Finally had a moment to sit down and enjoy this. Very educational, learned a ton I hope to implement as soon as possible. Thank you for doing this!
Thanks for todays stream, I'll have to watch the rest later, need to go to bed. You could really hear Kristian better today as well!
If the size of the tablet doesn't matter my Wacom Intuos S is still working flawlessly after 5(?) years, but it ended up feeling a bit small. I now have a Huion WH1402 V2 which I do like. You can tell it's cheaper than a Wacom but it's also a lot cheaper than a Wacom and the difference in price is not justified as far as I can tell so far.
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Hey Sandy, good job with these compositions.
First off I would suggest doing the eye level one due to it being easier in terms of perspective.
Next I would suggest working with black and white only. Doren iten has a new video explaining how you can communicate a scene with 4-5 values. Which would be good to start out with.
At the moment you can darken the frame and have the light illuminate the stone hedge like objects, making them a very clear point of focus.
Hope this helps and I look forward to seeing the results
Sandy L
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Thank you, have not has time to watch Dorien Itens stream yet but that is definitely something I will try out.
So, which view to use depends on the need you have to show something: in the Renaissance era the bird's eye view was often used to represent cities or battles, i.e. very large scenes that needed an overall view. It would have made no sense, for example, to use it to show a scene from the lives of saints. (I'm just giving examples, it's a bit more complex than that, but I'm simplifying as much as I can).
In this specific case I don't think a bird's eye view is necessary and makes your subject much less interesting.
The point of interest is this megalithic complex, which I imagine you want to portray as imposing: if you show it from above, it becomes a simple element in the landscape without you having provided any additional information, since its location within a forest is intuitable even in the first image.
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Hello. I did two iterations of this idea I have, first one from above, which turned out not great and then I checked how other people have done forest-scapes and did the second one where you're looking on the standing stones standing on the forest floor.
I'd love critique on both these, but I also specifically wonder if it's inadvisable to do the bird view one? I could only find art in ground level view, but maybe didn't look hard enough...
What should I focus on to get the bird view one to work composition wise as well as with values and such?
I feel like the front view one is a lot better, but that's not the scene I want to portray, of that makes sense?
Anyway, thanks in advance for all types and advice
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This is an awesome idea! How do you not get stuck on gathering references though? Feels like the most obvious trap.. You can really see the progress you've made though, keep up the good job
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I struggle a bit with this, having difficulties figuring out how to capture the form, where to put the overlap, illustrate the tilt and so on
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How do you avoid getting value shape edges that are the same? What should you keep in mind when breaking down a portrait into simple value groups to avoid the edges and/or the value value to be the same?
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Hey there! I have been practicing 30 seconds gestures and here it is! Really enjoyed doing this :D
What do you think? Please share your thoughts on this:)
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I'd continue practicing capturing the gesture and not the contours. Remember the CIS curves, finding the centerline and that if there's stretching on one side, there's a pinch on the other side of the torso. Attached a illustration. Without the pose reference I can't exactly tell what is going on, but I hope this illustrates my point. Let me know and I'll elaborate if not
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Here are some of our drawings for this session :
(Me : Bold Lines - Thin lines : My Wife)
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Both: These are good, I definitely get a sense of the pose.
You: Focus on softer curves, remember the example about the waves, soft lines = less energy, sick sag lines = more energy. Also, focus more on the gesture of the pose, less on the contour. Ex with the breast in your drawing above, they throw the flow of the pose of in all but the last of your drawings.
Wife: Not sure if the lines are a stylistic choice or not, if not I'd focus on more long fluid lines. More controlled lines, without loosing fluidity and gesture.
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Hey here are my third set of gestures.
I decided to provide the original images and several attempts for each gesture. Hope this helps!
Thanks
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These are very good! Especially when there's two versions, the second one is a lot less stiff than the first one. You've really captured the gesture of the pose. I went and looked at the two previous posts and their critique and the improvement is amazing. One thing I do notice is that your leaning poses still feel unbalanced, when practicing in the future, I'd focus on better displaying where the weight of the body is.
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Round 2 of my Quicksketchs exercises! I think I can feel more of the flow of particular forms, but I still struggle with proportion and even with the readability of the pose sometimes.
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What helped me to get the readability of the pose to be clearer is to focus on finding the longest axis to find what is relevant to the pose. Also, assuming you did them in order, look how good the last 5 min pose is! I've found that you usually start out quite stiff, then after getting in to the flow, you do some great work. I sometimes do 30s, 1 min, 2 min, 5 min, 2 min, 1 min, 30 s just to get that 30 s quick sketch in when in the flow.
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Fun stream and glad it was recorded, can't always grab them when they air and it's fun to get the option to watch later. I had some trouble hearing what Kristian said most times, missing what the question was, just hearing Stans answer :)
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I have to pop out of stream, thank you for today, was really fun to draw along!
This is what I drew, doesn't look a lot like the reference photo but I tried. I struggle a lot with staying with a drawing for longer so this was great practice and I'd love feedback on what to improve
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My proportions are off, but better than they usually are so I'm happy
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Restarting the course again, since I never remember where I left of previously. I think I need to practice more on adding some more details to the pose and to convey the energy of the pose. Critiques and comments very appreciated
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This is one of my favorite thing to watch/listen to when drawing, love the diversity and insights over the seasons