Justin Phelps
Justin Phelps
San Diego county
Hi y'all, I'm interested in learning art and sharing whatever knowledge I pick up with others.
Justin Phelps
Completely forgot about uploading the other day, sorry y'all. I'm a bit occupied with some personal work tonight but I'll remember to post.
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Justin Phelps
this is about one hour of work, Im definitely aiming to finish this assignment by friday but so far im feeling pretty good about it. I'll get through my gestures, beans and shapes later tonight but I'm definitely struggling to keep myself focused on grinding out the fundamentals because I'm just hankering for drawing quite a bit more personal art recently.
Structure lesson attempt two
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Justin Phelps
I haven't been quite active this past week (lots of family graduations to deal with so I'm still running a bit on empty.) However I did manage to muster enough energy to at least get some work in. I'm a bit rusty >< but here's my second attempt with this lesson, I had a lot of help from Serena Marcenco and Peter Anton for this. It's still another trace over though so tomorrow I'm going to attempt doing it from looking at reference alone. I've may have been getting only sparing amounts of practice time this week but I think I'm ready to tackle this a couple more times before moving onto the landmarks video.
Structure lesson attempt two
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Steve Lenze
Hey Justin, Cool idea. I have a few suggestions that I hope will help your design. As you can see in my draw over, I think you should add some more gesture to your drawings to keep them from being stiff. I hope this helps, keep drawing :)
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Justin Phelps
Thank you for your help Steve. I will definitely incorporate more gesture into the next piece and your draw over is also a big help. I'm not quite sure how to respond, this is pretty much my first time posting something I did to for any sort of critique so I was really unsure that I'd get a response. I'm definitely motivated though to do more artwork so I really appreciate this.
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Justin Phelps
Oh gosh I completely forgot to open this to critique, I'm sorry y'all. If I'm posting anything I always want to make it available to review.
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I'm not quite certain if this belongs here or in Art lounge chat but I would like to take a step forward by putting out my own personal work outside of practice ( well I think I consider this more of a practice piece since I just wanted to see where I am and what I can do so far.) I'll be back to to grinding out more lessons tonight though since I know generally where I'm at now. Thank y'all for being patient with me.
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Justin Phelps
I'm feeling a bit undisciplined this week because there's been a couple things I want to draw quite a bit more than grinding out these courses and having consistent practice (I was very distracted drawing this single page of gestures). I'll try to post more tonight, but for now I'm going to be hopping onto the thing I've been itching to draw all day. Sorry y'all.
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Justin Phelps
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definitely dropping my first attempt here for posterity, it's a little tough trying to see shapes and break down this thing but we're gonna get it i think. I'll definitely need to rewatch that structure video.
Structure lesson attempt one
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Justin Phelps
Getting up tonights beans, I took quite a bit longer to do them since I'm just practicing getting things right with my pencil strokes.
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Justin Phelps
Alright we've got a big night tonight, aiming to get quite a bit of practice in and get my broken down shape animal up by tomorrow as well. For now here are my 30sec gestures.
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Justin Phelps
Definitely doing this one with some of the feedback I got earlier last week. I've had to really slow things down so I could process what I'm looking at and get it on paper but overall I think I did a pretty decent job so far. I'm really looking forward to moving onto the structure section after today but I'm gonna be keeping up on gestures and beans so I can stay on top of all this practice.
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Justin Phelps
It's been a bit of an onslaught this past week for me. I've been helping family since last Thursday and then got vaccinated on Tuesday so I'm only now hopping back into stuff. Luckily I've been keeping up with my reading and I feel like some stuff is beginning to pay off. Of course I've got much more to do so I definitely need to make up for lost time while I get some of my own pieces done. Thanks y'all for the help as well, I really appreciate it.
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Justin Phelps
Alright I'm feeling a bit better following along today. This is really a first attempt for this video but things feel like they're moving forward. I really did like how one of these came out too.
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Justin Phelps
I missed yesterday due to a bit of work regarding family but we're right back in with today ;3 I think this weekend I'll aim for about one or two hours with gestures alone because I think they're worth that. I'm also processing a lot of information from drawing with force's second chapter and also trying to think about things more structurally regarding beans. It's a bit hard and today's gestures really show how befuddled I became just thinking about how to apply anything ><
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Dadan
I think it's worth mentioning a few things that maybe haven't been said. It's not a foolish question. Art IS subjective, so success isn't simply dependant on skill/talent. There are many unemployed artists who are more skilled than SOME of their employed counterparts. Sometimes it comes down to knowing the right people, being in the right place at the right time, and sometimes the tides of fashion just change to a particular style/medium. Since you don't control those elements of luck beyond a point, the general advice is, a) do what interests you and b) do it well. Both those things are much harder than what most beginners think. In the normal world people can take 4 years to follow a prepaved path and become an accountant or lawyer, say. Art training is different. It takes MUCH longer than anyone (even art teachers) will admit to do the most basic things (like drawing a straight line). I'm not saying lower your expectations necessarily, since you could always get lucky even without being the most experienced (see above). Mad skillz, again, do not guarantee success, but may not be necessary perhaps because luck (big emphasis on the perhaps). If you still want skill (to increase your chances), yeah, lower your expectations or be born talented. It's not like a normal degree/field of study where it takes X courses and Y years and BAM now you are an ISO certified artist, step right this way for a job.
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Justin Phelps
Hi Dadan, thanks for the pointers. I've been a bit busy since yesterday taking care of other life stuff but I think I'm starting to get some goals set and even forming an idea of what I'd like to strive for.
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Yiming Wu
Ughhh... I would really suggest you keep your day job at the moment because this art thing is gonna take Years... But if you have a decent amount of living expenses saved like maybe a year or two I think you at least are at least in a good position. There's absolutely no set ways that you should start something like art. You already started, at the moment you decide you wanna do this. So why not look at yourself and ask what brings you to art in the first place? Let's say you might like to draw something, great! Then draw it! Then, you might find out oh that thing you draw isn't as good as what you expected, whats wrong? And you learn to observe and iterate on your ideas, and you find out you draw better, and you want to see if you can express more things, and so on... Basically this is how most people do drawings and paintings in the technical aspect. So you don't need to worry too much. A lot of things are in common as of what it takes to do good visual art, like the concept of shape and volume, light and shadow, perspective, composition... It may sound a bit overwhelming at first, but when you actually practice those, you will get those ideas fast. And techniques are the easy parts... the ideas are the hard ones. Welcome and good luck on your journey!
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Justin Phelps
Hi Yiming, Thanks for the response. I'll write down what you've said as well. I definitely don't expect this to be my fulltime occupation anytime soon, but building up to at least have it supplement what I've lost for income due to changing jobs is the goal for now. thanks for taking the time to respond, I appreciate the encouragement.
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Laura W
When you say "Art Field" what do you mean exactly? When it comes to art, there's a relatively large landscape when it comes to what it means to be a creative professional. Just like with any career path, I suggest doing research and thinking about what jobs you might qualify for. Job hunting can be a 9-5 job on its own, and its even more difficult if you are entering sought after fields. Here's some initial questions that might be helpful to answer: What sort of art are you interested in, and what creative fields interest you the most? Do you have any experience doing creative work as a job, and do you know if you'll enjoy the pressure? Do you have any physical concerns with your arm, wrist, or back that might make drawing for long periods of time difficult? How much stability do you need from work initially (will your family and/or partner support you as you get started)? Do you have the ability or resources to take classes and get training in specific skillsets? Do you have any local resources for networking and talking to other professionals? I find that the older I get, the easier it is to see that there are many paths into a career, and to keep an open mind about what a job can be. When I went to art school, I imagined relatively vaguely that I would enter the games industry. After school and saddled with my debt, I ended up in a career in software, and worked my skill set to moved me over to working with software for creatives. This path gave me stability, and I while I occasionally freelance, I enjoy not having to explicitly cater my art to the needs of a particular industry. There are many of these sorts of jobs out there, if you gained a professional skillset at your previous work. Galleries need office admins, print shops need technicians and so on. Researching job listings and figuring out what skills you either already have some experience in, or would enjoy leaning into is a better way to get started than having vague ideas of "being an artist." If your dream is to eventually be completely independent and solely selling your physical artwork to sustain yourself, you are looking at a tough (though not impossible) road. You can look towards small businesses owners who sell their work at cons and online, and influencers who use social media to their advantage, but know that it is unlikely to yield immediate results, and you'll need support while getting started.
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Justin Phelps
Hi Laura, thanks for the guidance. This'll definitely need to be something I look into this week and the next. I don't want to bog down the response with a slew of answers but I'm definitely getting these all written down to better organize myself and see where I'd like to go in terms of career.
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Justin Phelps
I should really make a day for these, just focusing on gestures since it's one of the only things I've picked up aside from beans recently. I find I can't quite get myself to stick to drawing for more than two or three hours at the moment. But I do think I'm able to push just a bit farther each day. I've got a project for a friend I need to do so these won't be as numerous until next week (maybe about 10-15 a day)
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Justin Phelps
To be honest I feel completely inept at getting these beans right. I definitely tried to keep up with Stan for this video but I couldn't quite get things done even at half speed on the second time trying this video out. I'm sure if I keep at it I'll be able to get them down though.
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Justin Phelps
I feel like this isn't going to be a rather pleasant subject for me to bring up. I've been a hobbyist at best with art, but recently I've been let go from what my family considered to be a good job (benefits, retirement, PTO). These past few months I've considered jumping into the art field but I really don't know what to do or start with. I don't have a degree for the subject and have never considered a portfolio on top of taking the craft seriously for approximately two weeks with the start of Proko 2.0. I'm feel completely foolish asking this, but does anyone know where someone with nothing should start in a field like this?