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In this final critique for part one, I review your work on contrasting close and far views. I'll show you how to "dare more" with your perspective, pushing the exaggeration for more dynamic and expressive drawings. We'll look at common mistakes and how to fix them, like not spreading your vanishing points far enough. You'll learn how to analyze photos to build an intuitive feel for how proximity changes forms, so you can create that crushed, telephoto look or an explosive wide-angle view from your imagination. This is about feeding your intuition, not just following rules.
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COMMENTS
Stop trying to make your perspective drawings accurate.
The goal isn't to be correct, it's to dare more. Exaggerating the difference between close and far views builds your intuition. Pushing distortion helps you understand how to control the emotional effect of a scene, moving beyond technical rules.
Thank you so much for the course Marshall. All of this has been really insightful. I feel like my brain is buzzing with new knowledge and a deeper understanding of the knowledge I already had.
I have a bit of a backlog of assignments to through, because life was happening, but I've watched all the videos now and they have prepped me to think differently, whenever I encounter perspective challenges in art. It is becoming a lot more intuitive. I will dare to foreshorten more and maybe I will dare to upload my drawings as well.
Looking at other people's photos also helped me understand that the setting looks more up, down, left and right in close-ups and vice versa for far-away. I was struggling with this concept in my head, and people's wonderful photos help clear that up.
Regarding the Digital zoom verses the Optical zoom. Omg… that is why all my zoomed-in images sucked. I thought it was just my eyesight getting worse haha.
Thank you Marshall, for addressing my concern about trajectory in my submission! It made a lot of sense. And I can see why the Trajectory videos were given only after the far-away/close-up video, because it allowed me to reflect on my submission and additionally learn new things about trajectory - which is overall a more meaningful learning experience.
Great review video Marshall. I’ll practice my daring during the pause! See you all in 2026 - Merry Xmas and Happy new Year 🎊🎆
(ps might be fun if everyone clogs up this part 1 finale comments section with examples of perspective stuff they working on until part 2…)
Marshall
The critiques are great, thanks.
A lot of helpful comments posted too, thanks to all.
The explanation of the Zolly app is feature is brilliant.
I tried it a while back and disn't really understand
the distortion when experimenting with the controls.
Using the dog photo with the paws exaggerated distortion,
I suppose is an example of foreshortening,
The dog also look thinner too.
Looking forward to Part 2
HELP NEEDED! I've just played with zolly for an hour and a voice in my brain still says: "why does the horizon move towards the center when I did not change trajectory" I cant get this point intuitively - HELP! (yes my mind is super slow)
Depends at what angle you are looking at the object from. If you are looking down on the object as you increase zolly you are moving closer to the object and also moving down since the trajectory was pointing down at the object. That will lower the horizon closer to the middle (see 1). If you are looking up at the object when you zolly in, you will also move up, moving the horizon up to the middle (see 2). The only scenario this wont happen is if you trajectory is parallel to the floor (see 3).
Thank you so much, Marshall, for not only putting this insightful course together to learn with one another throughout the different assignments. Thank you for the amazing, well-constructed Critiques. I have truly embraced this course with open-minded thoughts as I tackled the assignments. Each one was fantastically well constructed to help me learn more about perspective, which I am highly happy with am from the beginning of the course and with my growth till now. Thanks for challenging my brain on each one throughout Part One. I am so looking forward to Part two in the Spring and continuing, and will keep practicing on what I've learned here through Christmas break in all my drawings. Wishing all my fellow students a fantastic winter break for those who celebrate it.
Good crit! Everyone's work was so cool. I definitely could have exaggerated the views more now that I see how daring everyone was. I think I just took the assignment too literally and drew more of a, what differences a lens makes objectively, without considering the idea of also adjusting distance to the subject as well. Simply put, I was thinking more technically then with feeling... Something to keep in mind for future drawings: to add that true feeling of stepping forward into the immediate space of the subject in combination with a wider lens. After all, feeling is really what we want, isn't it? :)
Hey Marshall for plan projection with curvelinear perspective. Would something need to change to capture the perspective distortion. I tried using a curved picture plane but I suspect there are a couple more steps or I am completely off base because the perspective distortion didn't translate into the drawing. Please let me know.
@Kevin McCain@Marshall Vandruff
I think this would be the idea. Same steps as with the normal plan projection (see 1 in attached) but instead you are projecting the width lines onto the curved picture plane (see 2). Because we are drawing on a 2D surface we have to "unroll" the curved picture plane back to being flat (see 3). Then it's the same steps as before, bring the width lines down to the horizon, the only difference being that our height lines and all horizontal lines are curving towards the left / right vanishing points of the curvilinear grid (see 4).
I made the right box hollow so we can see the back plane.
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3mo
You are in over my head.
I've never done a plan projection with a curved picture plane, and wonder how you would do it, which way you curved it, and most of all why.
If it's to satisfy your curiosity, I'm curious to see whether it's worth it. But since you, not I, are the one going into the hall of mirrors, we may praise you as heroic, or mourn for your madness. If any of your peers here want to join, it will make the trip safer.
Send greetings. Don't forget to include pictures.
I love your quote Marshall, it's very inspiring.
Reminds me of something a skating coach said that stayed with me. He said always practise even when feeling under the weather, those small sessions will add up and eventually giving a competitive edge on all those that took time off.
Thank you so much Marshall for the critique and Anthony for your inspiring work (truly the MVP of the assignment :D).
I'll exaggerate more in the future! Also just a little note: shading helps me a great deal to reflect on my mistakes afterwards. If I only do contours I tend to not see my mistakes so well. That's the whole story. I don't really care about making pretty sketches, it just helps :D
PS: I am currently hardcore studying for JLPT N4 test in December so I won't be active for the next weeks. But I'll be back afterwards :)
Thanks Sandra! I need to return to my Japanese studies, it's been months and I've probably forgotten everything 😭
Thank you so much for the critique! And the critiques on all the amazing work of everyone here. I learn so much from them.
Enjoy your time off, there's enough material to deepen our study. And thank you for the encouragement with that wonderful quote! ❤️
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3mo
4:56 "That's telling us that we are standing closer than we are..."
... Or that the court is huge. It could be telling us that it is many hundreds of steps deep.
If you want to exaggerate, these tools work for that.
in my head I suddenly re-see the making of lotr about the forced perspective scene (frodo and gandalf at the same table face to face shot actually with Elijah Wood two meters away from Mckellen... who said it was so odd talking to someone who was far away as if he was in front of him) - also the tree of Gondor long plateform that was not that long in reality but was just build narrower in the away zone. so many possibilities! my minds is on a roller coaster: I get it and I imagine games with it - i dont get it and cant recreate the effect in my mind, the pause in the course that you announced is going to be very useful to reinforce all this and play around. A great course @Marshall Vandruff cant thank you enough for your efforts!
I cant believe 1 year had passed by since the start of the course! Oh how time flies, but time we travelled beneficially since this course singlehandedly could transform the way a person see the world through their eyes.
Cheers everybody!
I got a couple of lessons to catch up though, It' been a real busy month!
Ahh I am not emotionally ready for the halfway point, can we change this course to live service and continue it forever, gacha style? 😆
It’s really nice to pause and remember how far we have come from the start of this class.
(btw two figures - globe-holder and bent-leg - are master studies I did to analyze perspective; the rest are my own from photo references. For semi imagination stuff on “easy” mode the Skelly app is really good. Drawing the bones gets perspective practice in and then you can add simple shapes/muscles depending how far you want to take each practice. Or even use as poses for your own character designs)
Thanks for all the critiques and answers to so many of our questions. Hope to work through a basic class and get back into cartooning as my 'break' hopefully enough knowledge leaked into my subconscious that those may be easier and more relaxing... knowing me probably not. But, hey! A guy can dream! Enjoy your hiatus/winter hibernation.
That quote at the end is a beautiful close to part 1! I'm a little sad at the arrival of the half way point, but sad or not, its a good excuse to review part 1 to keep things fresh as prep for the onslaught of cubes you promised us earlier! I'm Very much looking forward to mastering these skills you've taught us. -Oh! and we did meet in person, so may your heart sadden no more! I believe you said something to the effect of "You could be a stunt double for Adam Driver", Glory.
Thank you Mr. Vandruff for the brief critique, looking at my submission now I could've narrowed the court and spread it wider.
Welp that's what happens when you follow the assignment and try to do it without looking at the wide angle shot first XD
Marshal!! I have that Framed Ink book, I haven't read it yet and you spoil it!!!
Its a good read! Definitely could've gone with getting a little deeper in this course before i started it though, It felt like deciphering hieroglyphs at times without any prior knowledge!
Wow! I loved the section showcasing the juxtaposition of angles on a same shot from KPop Demon Hunters! The pawn with 'How it's Done' was masterly crafted...I am taking my hat and nodding in approval...
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3mo
There will be one more assignment in part 1 to tide you over until part 2! Coming soon!
